0.10.0 patch notes, balance explanations and how microtransactions work

As a consumer, I would prefer permanent effect items. However, I would be concerned about the long-term profitability for GGG if they offer permanent effect instead of one-time use items. I want PoE to continue to be developed and added to over the years to come, and that's going to require GGG to have some way to have a continuous profit source. I think permanent items would be bad for the game overall in this regard.

Just my 2 cents.

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Chris wrote:

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Wisdom wrote:

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Chameleon wrote:

Oooh that is very different from how I was expecting them to work. I expected all microtransaction items to be permanent and freely removable and tradeable across all my characters, just like the Kiwis.

I'm now slightly worried there will be nothing I want to spend my points on...

I believe you will be able to trade modified items to other characters on your own account, via shared stash. They prevent trading to other accounts to prevent people from possible pay2win scenarios.

That is correct.

But I am unable to transfer the use of the flashy sword animation I bought and placed on an item, on another item on another char.

The CS items is the important thing, not the in game item.

I choose Option 1 Chris.

With how much you switch gear in this game. Option 2 just isn't viable.

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Chris wrote:

You can buy the reclamation item in advance and probably in bulk.

By the way, I'd be interested in feedback on this:

Let's imagine two hypothetical examples (the prices here are entirely made up btw). Assume this is for some relatively nice effect.

Option 1: The effect is $30 and can be moved freely between items and used on all your characters in all leagues forever with no drawback.

Option 2: The effect is $3, and can be removed from an item using something that costs $1 for a single use, or, if purchased in bulk, less.

The second option allows far more players to experience the effect and can move it the few times that they'll want to on average.

Note that these two options are not mutually exclusive. Also, remember those aren't actually final prices, just round numbers.

Both examples are terrible and IMO, very greedy. Make any one effect cost $5 and freely movable forever with no drawback.

I have to say, it really scares me that you have made a point on claiming ethical microtransactions, and now you are appearing to offer the typical greedy options that have made so many people hate F2P games.

If you made a good game that lots of people will like, you will make ridiculous amounts of money without having to use greedy methods. Very few people are remotely interested in paying anything over $10, or even close to that, for 1 single effect, and the idea of charging us to remove an effect is simply absurd. (im assuming that you plan on eventually having a very large number of effects)

F2P is simple. Make a good game and people will throw money at you. You don't need to charge the price of an entire indie game for any one random cosmetic item.

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Chris wrote:

By the way, I'd be interested in feedback on this:

I Choose Option 1

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Chris wrote:

By the way, I'd be interested in feedback on this ...

Option 1: The effect is $30 and can be moved freely between items and used on all your characters in all leagues forever with no drawback.

Option 2: The effect is $3, and can be removed from an item using something that costs $1 for a single use, or, if purchased in bulk, less.

for me i'd like there to be both options available.

let's say there's something i would determine as an important effect or trait for my character (say weapons appear spectral) and I know i'd like this throughout my characters lifetime i would want the all you can eat option 1.

however

when trialling things, developing looks, or perhaps more seasonal effects (such as a red nose during xmas) option 2 is preferable.

to me it's more about whether i want my character to appear a certain way (option 1) versus whether i want a specific item to appear a certain way (option 2). if these were account wide and reusable on different leagues then i'd be happy paying a premium to do so.

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also, ignore all the BS rhetoric about any of these transactions being greedy. this is where GGG have a right to make money and I for one support the intent behind these transactions.

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Chris wrote:

You can buy the reclamation item in advance and probably in bulk.

By the way, I'd be interested in feedback on this:

Let's imagine two hypothetical examples (the prices here are entirely made up btw). Assume this is for some relatively nice effect.

Option 1: The effect is $30 and can be moved freely between items and used on all your characters in all leagues forever with no drawback.

Option 2: The effect is $3, and can be removed from an item using something that costs $1 for a single use, or, if purchased in bulk, less.

The second option allows far more players to experience the effect and can move it the few times that they'll want to on average.

Note that these two options are not mutually exclusive. Also, remember those aren't actually final prices, just round numbers.

That would be reasonable IMO, although 30 dollars seems a bit steep based on my knowledge of item shop prices from other games (I know you said hypothetical and those prices were just mentioned for discussion)

also this ...

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also, ignore all the BS rhetoric about any of these transactions being greedy. this is where GGG have a right to make money and I for one support the intent behind these transactions.

I think the best option here would be having both one-time purchase AND permanent.
Most people would want permanent effects, I am sure. That's because the nature of this game is the massive loot system. This is especially true because there are going to be on-going updates, so people will never know "when's the best time" to apply the effect. It also allows low-level characters to equip these effects (like gore) because I doubt anyone would use it on a lvl 1 item.
That said, I do believe one-time purchase has its use. People who can't afford a huge amount at one-time can buy it temporarily, and others MAY get to try the effect on before they decide if they want to get it permanently.