Beating Nemesis without rares or uniques

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Terrornoid wrote:

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Terrornoid wrote:

With that one change:
1) Gap between Rich and Poor lessens as currency can actually be found and traded for items much easier and quicker than now. Since only higher tier items' frequency is changed, it doesn't scale the whole economy down.

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Terrornoid wrote:

2) Since an item's strength isn't tied to it's rarity, it becomes easier to balance and make the game more challenging across the board for all players.

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Terrornoid wrote:

3) RMT site usage driven down since players can actually find items instead of spending days trading to acquire them.

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Terrornoid wrote:

4) More characters means more Microtransactions. I know, personally, that I literally cannot stuff any more MTX onto my main and don't have any incentive to roll another character since everything is currently being dumped into that one.

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Terrornoid wrote:

5) Players become more knowledgeable across the board since everyone is experiencing more characters.
6) Players stay entertained longer as they can just switch characters when they get board of using one.

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Terrornoid wrote:

7) Other "high-end" or "prestigious" items can be added for those who enjoy grinding long and hard for something to hold over others, such as (but not limited to):
a) find-only microtransactions
b) find-only skins
c) multi-tiered uniques (raw stats get better, but at least the lower tiered ones open up build options)
d) ultra rare base items with better stats (with expensive formula to upgrade standard items to, to prevent the currency paradox)
etc.

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Terrornoid wrote:

Now, this doesn't mean that it's going to rain Crown of Eyes' and Kaom's. It just means that acquiring the 20+ exalt items becomes easier. You could rely on Storm Shield dropping from Mephisto (in D2) if you run him enough times. You can make no such assumptions in PoE. That's what the goal of this change would be; to make GRINDING for items an option, just like trading. Right now, you trade hard or die miserable and poor.

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drewiey wrote:

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Terrornoid wrote:

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NotRegret wrote:

Lots of discussion.
Everyone must be done christmas shopping and going back to check If I'm dead.

I'll address several comments that have been made


a) Can't Find shit for gear

b) Only build is health stacking

c) Mapping and end game.

d) Reflect

a) The whole "finding someone else's gear" is exactly the problem. Spending time spamming trade chat is insanely more profitable than actually grinding for gear. You find just enough currency to start flipping and you sit in chat for months. You even said it yourself "It takes a very long time for anything to get sold."
I, much like many if not most others, enjoy actually playing the games we choose, not almost exclusively playing businessman in them.

Yes, you can play the game with shit gear. You can also "beat" the game with it. This is known. But who in their right mind aims for mediocrity? Why don't you just beat the game in whites if being powerful isn't fun? Whatever answer you give for that is probably going to be the same answer I give for anyone saying not everyone deserves 6l's.

b) Dead DPS don't. I agree there, but saying that just because you are doing fine with Health/Res blues doesn't mean "using the extra stats on rares" is easy. It is much harder to get desirable stats on rares because they drop much less often, cannot be rerolled cheaply, and are much less available from vendors (if at all? don't think I've seen one). Finding a rare with Health/Resists with the inherent defensive mod you need is hard enough, yet the mods on top of that are supposed to be some huge boon? Did you forget how many throw away stats there are?

c) Yea, End Game. The best you got vs. the best the opponent has. For you, it seems, the fun is in leveling. For others, such as myself, the fun is in being a badass. Hard to be a badass when you aren't at your best possible (i.e. leveled). With the changes I proposed, the end game gets a lot more interesting as you have a lot more equipped builds to throw at a much more evenly difficult end. You also have the goal of finding gear (which you really don't do now, you trade for it, you said so yourself) for your other characters. The players such as yourself that enjoy leveling can still level and be happy. Who loses here?

d) Reflect is a lazy developers difficulty. Then again, there isn't much room to allow the player to do much since desynch is an issue. It's kind of the only option left. I completely disagree with you here, but this is for another thread, imo, as the topic always turns ugly.

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JahIthBer89 wrote:

a. You could never EVER compete with trading by finding gear, no matter the drop rates. You're pitting your own drop rates versus the tens of thousands of others combined. As long as trading in any form exists, this will always be the case. If you don't want to trade and strictly want to kill monsters I strongly suggest you go play Gauntlet or one of the hundreds of other games that strictly deals with "killing monsters" and does it multitudes better than PoE. This game is multi-faceted, if you only want to kill monsters, you can have a better experience elsewhere.

b. What exactly are you implying? That only good mods should ever roll on items? Shortsightedness at its best.

c. I also enjoy end-game almost exclusively. Guess what else I enjoy? The sense of accomplishment when I can actually clear that content comfortably. You want everything and you want it now, but you fail to realize that without failure there is no success. Diablo 2 is not a good example here. D2 had nothing even remotely challenging for PvM, but it ended up having great PvP whether you realize it or not. PvM would have died a long time ago if PvP weren't the entire driving force of the economy. You'd be running meph all day with nobody to sell your goods to because everybody could already make a joke out of PvM and there was nothing left to do. Now you'll argue that that's bullshit because you were farming gear for other characters, but that would be a bold-faced lie. You were farming for gear that had a perceived value, that value all trickled to the Dueling community, PvP drove that entire economy.

Conversely, PoE strives to have a legitimately challenging end-game PvM, and succeeds in every way. The gear needed to make the game trivial exists, but is not easy to obtain. No, you can't have everything you want (or think you need) immediately, because the game would just be beaten and forgotten. That is not the goal.

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NotRegret wrote:

Some of us though are just bored with the leveling process and muddle with the terrible
'end game' because we have nothing else to do.

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Terrornoid wrote:

c) Yea, End Game. The best you got vs. the best the opponent has. For you, it seems, the fun is in leveling. For others, such as myself, the fun is in being a badass. Hard to be a badass when you aren't at your best possible (i.e. leveled). With the changes I proposed, the end game gets a lot more interesting as you have a lot more equipped builds to throw at a much more evenly difficult end. You also have the goal of finding gear (which you really don't do now, you trade for it, you said so yourself) for your other characters. The players such as yourself that enjoy leveling can still level and be happy. Who loses here?

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reboticon wrote:

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NotRegret wrote:

Some of us though are just bored with the leveling process and muddle with the terrible
'end game' because we have nothing else to do.

This. This is the time that those of us who think drops should be better are talking about. The guy who keeps swearing they are ok, plays in standard. The junk league where everything ends up. It's not hard to get shit there, guy. No one is talking about that place. I got shit worth well over 200 exalts there, but its a playground league. Sorry to inform you of that. You also get to use the quantity gem, and even if you don't use it personally, i'm sure you have a culler who does.

with boring end game, there is not a lot of reason to keep playing if stuff doesn't drop. That's just the way it is.

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NotRegret wrote:

Sorry about the delay but these things take forever to write. I've also got IRL stuff.