Beating Nemesis without rares or uniques

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Mivo wrote:

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Sneakypaw wrote:

What NotRegret hates or not hates doesn't change anything about what he proved with his Blue Item endeavor. And that is what Stormknight is using as his arguement, not NotRegret's preferences.

NotRegret traded for blue top items. He didn't play self-found, nor will you self-find or craft more blue top items than you will self-find or cratft yellow top items. Check some of the prices for really good blue gear. Same lottery.

Even if he had, his experiment concluded with him quitting the game. What more than "QED" can anyone really say to that?

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Druga1757 wrote:

I'd like to see where Krip said he had nothing more for him to do in PoE. I remember him saying he tried SoTV on launch and couldn't get motivated to play it, that he was bored. He said he would have loved to have the things SoTV had earlier when he was playing actively.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F1geoGkDZf0

He even goes on to say that if he got that bored that quickly with PoE, he was doubtful that he would play RoS for long because it would probably bore him, too. Except, he IS still playing RoS because he's having fun. Like I said, ironic.

But you're right, why does it matter? I already accepted that GGG is resistant to change. As it is, Poe isn't for me. As long as it has supporters like you playing. By the way, how is Invasion/Ambush? Going by your character list, are you even playing those leagues?

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NotRegret wrote:

The difference between the high item level blues I got through trading and the possible ones I could have gotten through crafting/grinding gave me just around 200-300 extra hit points.

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Mivo wrote:

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NotRegret wrote:

The difference between the high item level blues I got through trading and the possible ones I could have gotten through crafting/grinding gave me just around 200-300 extra hit points.

That's irrelevant in the context of the SFL debate, which is what Sneakypaw touched on and what my comment was about. What you "could have gotten" by crafting doesn't matter, because you did trade, so everything else is hypothetical. You didn't do this self-found and you didn't do this by crafting. You traded, and that is why this experiment means nothing as far a the SFL discussion is concerned. (And that's the only thing I'm talking about.)

That aside, no one ever claimed you can't beat Dominus with only self-found gear. Of course you can, so I don't know why the SFL topic was even dragged into this.

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NotRegret wrote:

The difference between the high item level blues I got through trading and the possible ones I could have gotten through crafting/grinding gave me just around 200-300 extra hit points. They gave nice resists but I was actually overcapped on several different elements.

The rares that I got from random drops were better than any blue I could have ever gotten through trading, because rares can have armor, resist, and life all on 1 item.

Trading is a part of PoE. Trading will ALWAYS BE A PART OF POE no matter if the entire community rallies against it. To start with Chris is basically the dictator of the game and he has a huge hard on for in-game economies. Apart from that PoE has a bussiness model that needs in-game economies to work well. The free to play+cash shop model requires a constant stream of new players in order to function (old players dont spend as much on the cash shop). Having a constant stream of new players requires having a type of game that people get their friends into. A gaming experience that FORCES interaction (like a say a player based economy) is more likely to make people get their friends in than an entirly solo experience.

In other words even if Chris didn't love in game economics and the entire community made him change the game you would just end up KILLING POE. Diablo 3 has a payment model that lets them have their game be entirly single player because its pay to play.

This is exactlty why I said I want to see GGG make a new game entirely. If you really want PoE: no player trading edition. Than you should rally behind the idea of GGG creating a new single player and selling it at $50, I'd pre-order that!

As for leaving PoE. Thats what you do with game's dumb ass. You get tired of and leave them. Grinding out the same game until its boring and miserable is not how I play games.

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Sneakypaw wrote:

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Druga1757 wrote:

I'd like to see where Krip said he had nothing more for him to do in PoE. I remember him saying he tried SoTV on launch and couldn't get motivated to play it, that he was bored. He said he would have loved to have the things SoTV had earlier when he was playing actively.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F1geoGkDZf0

He even goes on to say that if he got that bored that quickly with PoE, he was doubtful that he would play RoS for long because it would probably bore him, too. Except, he IS still playing RoS because he's having fun. Like I said, ironic.

But you're right, why does it matter? I already accepted that GGG is resistant to change. As it is, Poe isn't for me. As long as it has supporters like you playing. By the way, how is Invasion/Ambush? Going by your character list, are you even playing those leagues?

No problem with the actual game.

Got burned out on APRGs because he played RoS beta alot before.

Got bored after 7 hours or so.

I think the last part is what is your main focus in linking the Video. But he says the same about RoS in his last vids. He gets bored after a few hours and only has as much fun because of the people he is playing with. And sure, D3 is more the kind of game you just pick up to have a bit of fun and get bored and maybe come back sometime. That's their target audience.

And again, it's normal to get bored of a game someday and stop playing. I don't see how Krip not playing PoE anymore is any reason to change the Game.

Also, I will get you a link to the video where he says that he didn't have anything to do anymore. I will edit it in when I find it.

Edit: So, while I didn't find the video I was looking for (and don't know if I will keep looking. It's pretty boring watching old clips to find the right one) here is a Video that kinda mirrors the mindset why he stopped playing in the first place. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A0bsK1cMpJ8

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LostForm wrote:

PoE became successful because it strayed from the 'mass appeal' being tacked into the majority of games hitting the market. It became successful precisely because it told mass appeal to get bent. So why would they think mass appeal is the way to go now? Because they experienced success by choosing to not add sappy 'everyone wins' content? Doesn't make much sense to me.


Surely there are glaring problems in the game, but those problems are not that everyone doesnt have a 6 link shav or whatever. Those problems are not that you dont consistently have only level 78 maps. Those thinks are players goals, and not promised by the game. In fact the game has always been about keeping you from getting those things, and is still extremely successful in regard with the anticipated reception of the game. Making sure to have a pact with all players that they will receive those things as drops, and never let the player feel like it is a long shot is not and should not be the design goal of PoE, and goes against everything that attracted people to the game in the first place.

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Mivo wrote:

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NotRegret wrote:

The difference between the high item level blues I got through trading and the possible ones I could have gotten through crafting/grinding gave me just around 200-300 extra hit points.

That's irrelevant in the context of the SFL debate, which is what Sneakypaw touched on and what my comment was about. What you "could have gotten" by crafting doesn't matter, because you did trade, so everything else is hypothetical. You didn't do this self-found and you didn't do this by crafting. You traded, and that is why this experiment means nothing as far a the SFL discussion is concerned. (And that's the only thing I'm talking about.)

That aside, no one ever claimed you can't beat Dominus with only self-found gear. Of course you can, so I don't know why the SFL topic was even dragged into this.

Have any links of a solo self found Merciless Dominus kill from start of character creation to finish ?

I'm interested to see this.

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