ggg needs to take steps to make spells more approachable

bump.

any chance for a GGG comment?

The Problem isnt even spell dmg but elemental dmg in general.

I tried to build an elemental ST Ranger. With Wrath and Anger and I hit 5 throws/ Second and it feels just so underwhelming when im not using Elem. Weakness OR Proj. Weakness. My DPS with lvl 17 Auras is atm 3k but it feels so inferior to a physical ST.

It's still easier to scale flat elemental damage than it is to scale spell damage.
Auras alone net an insane boost.

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Mannoth wrote:

It's still easier to scale flat elemental damage than it is to scale spell damage.
Auras alone net an insane boost.

not to mention 5 attacks/sec which is impossible with the manacost/basecastspeed of the majority of the spells (again only the new skill storm call seems to be an exception with 18 mana each cast at level 20 and a basecastspeed of 0,5sec,doubt you can get it below 0,2 sec though)

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ciel289 wrote:

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Mannoth wrote:

It's still easier to scale flat elemental damage than it is to scale spell damage.
Auras alone net an insane boost.

not to mention 5 attacks/sec which is impossible with the manacost/basecastspeed of the majority of the spells (again only the new skill storm call seems to be an exception with 18 mana each cast at level 20 and a basecastspeed of 0,5sec,doubt you can get it below 0,2 sec though)

My 75 mana per cast / 5 per second elemental ST begs to differ...

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Vincendra wrote:

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ciel289 wrote:

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Mannoth wrote:

It's still easier to scale flat elemental damage than it is to scale spell damage.
Auras alone net an insane boost.

not to mention 5 attacks/sec which is impossible with the manacost/basecastspeed of the majority of the spells (again only the new skill storm call seems to be an exception with 18 mana each cast at level 20 and a basecastspeed of 0,5sec,doubt you can get it below 0,2 sec though)

My 75 mana per cast / 5 per second elemental ST begs to differ...

ST base mana cost lvl 20 = 11 mana
FP base mana cost lvl 20 = 23 mana

With the same number of supports, FP will always cost more.

And FP has one of the lowest base mana cost. Spark lvl 20 = 29 mana. Icespear = 35 mana. EK is a whopping 45 mana at lvl 20.

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Vincendra wrote:

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ciel289 wrote:

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Mannoth wrote:

It's still easier to scale flat elemental damage than it is to scale spell damage.
Auras alone net an insane boost.

not to mention 5 attacks/sec which is impossible with the manacost/basecastspeed of the majority of the spells (again only the new skill storm call seems to be an exception with 18 mana each cast at level 20 and a basecastspeed of 0,5sec,doubt you can get it below 0,2 sec though)

My 75 mana per cast / 5 per second elemental ST begs to differ...

for my fireball (level 22 in searing touch)
i need 34x1.3x1.6x1.2x1.5x1.4 = 178,2 (179 for the game)
LL x con E x FC x LMP x fire pen
hardly seems fair to me having twice the manacost for 1 attack ( many attacksupportgems have a lower multiplier i.e. faster attacks 1.15/ faster casting 1.20)

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Vincendra wrote:

The Problem isnt even spell dmg but elemental dmg in general.

I tried to build an elemental ST Ranger. With Wrath and Anger and

I hit 5 throws/ Second and it feels just so underwhelming when im not using Elem. Weakness OR Proj. Weakness. My DPS with lvl 17 Auras is atm 3k but it feels so inferior to a physical ST.

uhhh no. i had a 1h reaver doing 19k. it doesnt work with spectral throw because it reduces all the ele damage by 60%. this is a wasted post and completely off topic.

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fxyo wrote:

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Vincendra wrote:

The Problem isnt even spell dmg but elemental dmg in general.

I tried to build an elemental ST Ranger. With Wrath and Anger and

I hit 5 throws/ Second and it feels just so underwhelming when im not using Elem. Weakness OR Proj. Weakness. My DPS with lvl 17 Auras is atm 3k but it feels so inferior to a physical ST.

uhhh no. i had a 1h reaver doing 19k. it doesnt work with spectral throw because it reduces all the ele damage by 60%. this is a wasted post and completely off topic.

the 60% only reduces the tooltip dps since it shows the dmg for 1 hit (unlike DS,as far as i know sry if its wrong, which shows the dmg for 2 hits)
it takes some time until the weapon retuns to hit a 2nd time and its not a guaranteed one (if you or the monster moves it migth avoid the 2nd hit)
each of these hits deal 60% of your dmg (so it can be seen as a 120% dmg effectivness if used right)

tooltip dps can be missleading

I agree OP, spells are pretty weak for the most part. When you get to around level 60, it is extremely awful trying to play as a caster. Unless you have the best in biz items for it, you're gonna have a bad time.