We players want an Auction House.

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GodVsMe wrote:

Auction house definitely will invite more trouble than convenience. Probably because if the seller will be ripped if he/she do not know the price of the item. There is also a chance if the scammer want to transfer item "Legitly"

You won the award for most backwards retarded comment.

Current wild trading without set values is what allows illinformed players to be ripped off. Having a AH that shows a broad range and average value of supply and demand is what would promote fair trade. Get your shit straight please.

This thread shows how stupid everyone against the AH is: not one valid argument or reason behind their objections, people just whine and say "no". "No... because".
No because what? Because you don't know jack shit.

Because you think AH = D3 real money AH = pay2win = game over.
Because you don't realise that poe wouldn't go for real money trading.
A AH in poe wouldn't ruin anything, it would simply make trading practical.

I'm seriously at a point where I wish I could reach over the internet and kick all you idiots in the balls and punch you in the fucking face...
Unless you have a logical, elaborate and valid argument on how exactly a AH would ruin poe:
Shut the fuck up and stop posting your objections, because YOU ARE WRONG.

It is not a matter of taste. If poe launches a AH, nobody would stop you from spamming chat with WTB WTS WTT crap all day. Go ahead, stick to what you like. See how many would prefer the AH over the current spam flood bullfuckingshit-trade chat.

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Quantume wrote:

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GodVsMe wrote:

Auction house definitely will invite more trouble than convenience. Probably because if the seller will be ripped if he/she do not know the price of the item. There is also a chance if the scammer want to transfer item "Legitly"

You won the award for most backwards retarded comment.

Current wild trading without set values is what allows illinformed players to be ripped off. Having a AH that shows a broad range and average value of supply and demand is what would promote fair trade. Get your shit straight please.

This thread shows how stupid everyone against the AH is: not one valid argument or reason behind their objections, people just whine and say "no". "No... because".
No because what? Because you don't know jack shit.

Because you think AH = D3 real money AH = pay2win = game over.
Because you don't realise that poe wouldn't go for real money trading.
A AH in poe wouldn't ruin anything, it would simply make trading practical.

I'm seriously at a point where I wish I could reach over the internet and kick all you idiots in the balls and punch you in the fucking face...
Unless you have a logical, elaborate and valid argument on how exactly a AH would ruin poe:
Shut the fuck up and stop posting your objections, because YOU ARE WRONG.

It is not a matter of taste. If poe launches a AH, nobody would stop you from spamming chat with WTB WTS WTT crap all day. Go ahead, stick to what you like. See how many would prefer the AH over the current spam flood bullfuckingshit-trade chat.

Just the usual "I am right you are wrong" poster. Only pro arguments are legitimate, all counter-arguments are nonsens because I am to stupid to understand them thats why i ignore them.

And your toilet language underlines my guessed development stage of yours "toddler that just learned to speak/write"

But in fact, the only pro reason for an AH is lazyness to ask to random players for items you need and bargaining for a prize. You want to check lists..and pick what suits you, without ever interacting with another player. Very, very social..really *sarcasm*

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Simpson3k wrote:

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Quantume wrote:

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GodVsMe wrote:

Auction house definitely will invite more trouble than convenience. Probably because if the seller will be ripped if he/she do not know the price of the item. There is also a chance if the scammer want to transfer item "Legitly"

You won the award for most backwards retarded comment.

Current wild trading without set values is what allows illinformed players to be ripped off. Having a AH that shows a broad range and average value of supply and demand is what would promote fair trade. Get your shit straight please.

This thread shows how stupid everyone against the AH is: not one valid argument or reason behind their objections, people just whine and say "no". "No... because".
No because what? Because you don't know jack shit.

Because you think AH = D3 real money AH = pay2win = game over.
Because you don't realise that poe wouldn't go for real money trading.
A AH in poe wouldn't ruin anything, it would simply make trading practical.

I'm seriously at a point where I wish I could reach over the internet and kick all you idiots in the balls and punch you in the fucking face...
Unless you have a logical, elaborate and valid argument on how exactly a AH would ruin poe:
Shut the fuck up and stop posting your objections, because YOU ARE WRONG.

It is not a matter of taste. If poe launches a AH, nobody would stop you from spamming chat with WTB WTS WTT crap all day. Go ahead, stick to what you like. See how many would prefer the AH over the current spam flood bullfuckingshit-trade chat.

Just the usual "I am right you are wrong" poster. Only pro arguments are legitimate, all counter-arguments are nonsens because I am to stupid to understand them thats why i ignore them.

And your toilet language underlines my guessed development stage of yours "toddler that just learned to speak/write"

But in fact, the only pro reason for an AH is lazyness to ask to random players for items you need and bargaining for a prize. You want to check lists..and pick what suits you, without ever interacting with another player. Very, very social..really *sarcasm*

A) You didn't bring up any point against the AH (I'm assuming you're against it),
but just went on a personal attack on me?

B) I am very social, I chat with people about anything and everything in a party and on global.

Now tell me, what in gods name is "social" about this:

1- Scan the trade chat spam floods for hours
2- Finally find what you want
3- Whisper that person and HOPE he isn't afk
4- HOPE that he doesn't miss your message under all that FUCKING FLOOD SPAM which is dominating the retarded chat interface, one that can't even be modified properly
5- HOPE that he hasn't done a deal with someone else already
6- HOPE that he is willing to accept your offer

And even when you get all 7 right, it boils down to a "ok" conversation, you click the party invite, you both meet in town, accept trade request, deal done.
And don't even say bye or thanks.

WHAT - THE - FUCK - IS - SOCIAL - ABOUT - THAT ? Nothing!
Stop trying to justify the current fail system with a notion of it being a "good social bartering system"... it's not! It's not even close, not even in the same fucking ballpark!

Trading is done in the AH.
Social shit in party/global/private chat!
It's that simple.

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Quantume wrote:

A) You didn't bring up any point against the AH (I'm assuming you're against it),
but just went on a personal attack on me?

B) I am very social, I chat with people about anything and everything in a party and on global.

Now tell me, what in gods name is "social" about this:

1- Scan the trade chat spam floods for hours
2- Finally find what you want
3- Whisper that person and HOPE he isn't afk
4- HOPE that he doesn't miss your message under all that FUCKING FLOOD SPAM which is dominating the retarded chat interface, one that can't even be modified properly
5- HOPE that he hasn't done a deal with someone else already
6- HOPE that he is willing to accept your offer

And even when you get all 7 right, it boils down to a "ok" conversation, you click the party invite, you both meet in town, accept trade request, deal done.
And don't even say bye or thanks.

WHAT - THE - FUCK - IS - SOCIAL - ABOUT - THAT ? Nothing!
Stop trying to justify the current fail system with a notion of it being a "good social bartering system"... it's not! It's not even close, not even in the same fucking ballpark!

Trading is done in the AH.
Social shit in party/global/private chat!
It's that simple.

AH won't happen :)

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Quantume wrote:

Current wild trading without set values is what allows illinformed players to be ripped off. Having a AH that shows a broad range and average value of supply and demand is what would promote fair trade. Get your shit straight please.

This thread shows how stupid everyone against the AH is: not one valid argument or reason behind their objections, people just whine and say "no". "No... because".
No because what? Because you don't know jack shit.

Because you think AH = D3 real money AH = pay2win = game over.
Because you don't realise that poe wouldn't go for real money trading.
A AH in poe wouldn't ruin anything, it would simply make trading practical.

I'm seriously at a point where I wish I could reach over the internet and kick all you idiots in the balls and punch you in the fucking face...
Unless you have a logical, elaborate and valid argument on how exactly a AH would ruin poe:
Shut the fuck up and stop posting your objections, because YOU ARE WRONG.

no need to get mad, some people are stuborn as a mule and wont change their mind.

guess i will be repeating more or less what you said but here comes my opinion, poe AH has nothing to do with diablo 3 AH, diablo 3 screw it up becouse one could buy items with real cash, poe wont be offering that so the AH wont be all about pay real $$ or GTFO.

if you guys want a real example well look to this 2 examples:

first game is dragon raja, a very old arpg, the game itself was quite good, lots of skills, spells, jobs to farm material and crafting to turn those materials into awesome items.. problem was that they had a pay to win store and the AH had the option to ask $$ intead of game currency, this resulted in everyone asking $$ and as a result only the people with cash could buy stuff.

second game is imperiumao, a local game based on the argentum online, created by a few guys in their free time and released in 2001, the graphics where not exactly awesome as you can expect, mechanics where very simple too and it had an AH, the diference? all their microtransaction only offered cosmetic changes, at best they where selling a scroll that give a small boost to exp. going back to the AH they didnt aloud cash to be an option so everything there was traded for ingame currecy.

there is still 1 server of dragon raja but it has like 100 active players at best while imperiumao has well over 10k active players.
so people try to see a bit outside of d3 example and you will realise it was the gold in the AH that screw the game not the AH itself.

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caboom wrote:

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Quantume wrote:

Current wild trading without set values is what allows illinformed players to be ripped off. Having a AH that shows a broad range and average value of supply and demand is what would promote fair trade. Get your shit straight please.

This thread shows how stupid everyone against the AH is: not one valid argument or reason behind their objections, people just whine and say "no". "No... because".
No because what? Because you don't know jack shit.

Because you think AH = D3 real money AH = pay2win = game over.
Because you don't realise that poe wouldn't go for real money trading.
A AH in poe wouldn't ruin anything, it would simply make trading practical.

I'm seriously at a point where I wish I could reach over the internet and kick all you idiots in the balls and punch you in the fucking face...
Unless you have a logical, elaborate and valid argument on how exactly a AH would ruin poe:
Shut the fuck up and stop posting your objections, because YOU ARE WRONG.

no need to get mad, some people are stuborn as a mule and wont change their mind.

guess i will be repeating more or less what you said but here comes my opinion, poe AH has nothing to do with diablo 3 AH, diablo 3 screw it up becouse one could buy items with real cash, poe wont be offering that so the AH wont be all about pay real $$ or GTFO.

if you guys want a real example well look to this 2 examples:

Take a look at guild wars 2... The economy over there is totally ruined because of the AH.

PS: Still -1 to AH suggestion

On a more fundamental level, I'm opposed to an auction house for a simple reason - it makes trading too easy and makes grinding just a mindless 9-to-5 making money.

One of the major challenges, especially for the first few characters, is finding enough of the right gear. If everyone sells their secondhand stuff on an auction house, the market will be flooded with reasonably good equipment and you'll run into D3's problem - people grind for the sake of currency, not for the chance of a good drop.

If the auction house was limited to prices in exalted orbs, I'd be OK with it.

Alternatively, or maybe separately, an auction house limited to very low level (<20ish) items would be good for new players easing their way into the game, maybe selling items for a maximum of 40 scrolls of wisdom or some other extremely low cap.

In any case where there's an auction house, though, people will start paying the RMT spammers instead of just putting in the work because they can just buy what they need, there's no need to grind for it.

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AceNightfire wrote:

Take a look at guild wars 2... The economy over there is totally ruined because of the AH.

Care to elaborate?

Correct me if I'm wrong but for all I know real money items in GW2
are account bound, and cosmetic only?
Also, you have a coin currency in there, copper silver gold, and AH takes a deposit fee.

So... you are saying that the GW2 AH ruined the economy because people are too stupid to do basic math and check how much a vendor pays for a material/item, and list them on the AH for less than they should be worth (crafted items), pseudo forcing everyone to lower their prices as well, resulting in financial losses instead of gains?

Or what was your point?
The game has so many flaws that I never made it over lvl 40, so if you mean anything end game related, you have to go into details about items/mats etc.

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SDY225 wrote:

On a more fundamental level, I'm opposed to an auction house for a simple reason - it makes trading too easy and makes grinding just a mindless 9-to-5 making money.

One of the major challenges, especially for the first few characters, is finding enough of the right gear. If everyone sells their secondhand stuff on an auction house, the market will be flooded with reasonably good equipment and you'll run into D3's problem - people grind for the sake of currency, not for the chance of a good drop.

becouse people running maps like ledge or docks a billon times are not mindless farmers tring to find currency or with a bit of luck a semi decent gear?
the problem behind all this is that low/mid tier crafting is a waste of time and the loot itself is bad too, you can add to this that newcomers are not going to have uniques like redbeak or good mf amulest to start with. sooner or later they will hit the gear check wall and trading will be their only way out. well trading or creating one of those cookie cutter mf builds that can stomp low/mid lvs and still carry loads of MF.

then again i would rather prefer a selffound league to get away of all this trading madness.

other options to solve the gearcheck problem:
1) make shards (aleration, transmutation and alche) work on items of lv55 or below
2) add a linear crafting system like median xl honorifics
3) add an AH where only items of lv 55 or below can be sold

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Quantume wrote:

So... you are saying that the GW2 AH ruined the economy because people are too stupid to do basic math and check how much a vendor pays for a material/item, and list them on the AH for less than they should be worth (crafted items), pseudo forcing everyone to lower their prices as well, resulting in financial losses instead of gains?

Well, yes, that's it basically. And do you think people would do their math in poe? No, I dont think so. Even if their is no real gold, prices would drop very fast significantly. Also it ruins the social component and haggling if it comes to trading.