Regnar's dual wield sword ranger build, now with Blood Magic!

The issue lies solely in how the two classes are expected to mitigate damage, while ranger is literally drowning in life nodes, duelist is drowning, so to speak, in armor/evasion nodes.

As long as armor is useless past 6k, which is attainable with JUST armor, and no passive investment past iron reflexes, and evasion is rather useless without acrobatics, duelist will always lag behind, as they require more hp nodes, which are simply farther away, rather then right along the paths you would take normally.
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Ceto wrote:
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ransagy wrote:
One thing i still didn't understand in this build, After looking at the revised video and tree - How do you keep up the cost of Blood Rage? The tree seems to give 3.3% life regen from what i saw, While BR costs more. What am i missing here?

Also, I noticed a few times its being referred as a crit build. You don't seem to have too much crit mods on your tree and gear (aside, of course, from Maligro's which might in itself make it an enabling item for a crit build, i guess) - Why not use the crit gem supports?


1. Between my life regen and life leech the cost of BR is a joke.

2. Where did I claim this was a crit build? I would LOVE to know! =P


Looked at the math specifically for this one. Blood rage is costing me 147.6 health per second to sustain. I have 131.7 health regen per second, thus it sits at 15.9 health per second when idle (No life leech regen).
RegnarDrowsII - 79 DW Ranger, #6 One month race 10/16/2012
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Desbris wrote:
You indeed have a really efficient DW build there Ceto, I think both you and Epsi are right in stating this is likely one of the most efficient DW builds you will get.

I made a HC Duelist DW build not too long ago and I have just killed merci vaal with 2k HP at level 58 which was not easy because I wanted to see how viable my build would be if used for open beta with no stash items.

So I have been using all self found gear and have not traded anything and it was extremely difficult but exciting, once i was in merciless, health spiking constantly down to 25%, 80% of the time, haha.

I would be interested to know how you geared your char ceto, meaning, I can probably assume if you did it during a 1 week race you likely traded regularly for certain pieces to help? I also noticed you did not have BM when I first saw this build but I chose it for mine, as I really could not be bothered with the mana issues.

I feel once you hit merciless, DW starts to feel really gimped unless you have very nice gear, it relies on good HP, Regen & life leech, and positional play, for hardcore at least. I am gonna continue to test maps now and see how it goes, but it is pretty fun playing a dual wield in HC because I found it more difficult than a lot of other builds.

One could also make a good argument which epsi pointed out that Ranger is more efficient than Duelist if building similarly.

Also if a duelist was after my build, he would not be able to hit both mara and ranger starts. But taking his damage nodes and mara start zone he can build very similar.





I made most my weapons till higher level honestly. Grab a few good base as they drop and alt the shit outta them for good, close ilvl mods. Your weapons are priority, and if you keep them up to snuff as you level you wont have much trouble.
RegnarDrowsII - 79 DW Ranger, #6 One month race 10/16/2012
Last edited by Ceto#2608 on Dec 12, 2012, 9:29:34 PM
Finally found a new weapon! Updated the gear.
RegnarDrowsII - 79 DW Ranger, #6 One month race 10/16/2012
Would this build be able to work with axes instead of swords?
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xDEKOIx wrote:
Would this build be able to work with axes instead of swords?


yeah if you change it a bit like :Passive skill tree build its about the same, only you use axes.
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It's still not easy to build this character from an empty stash, but I wonder if duelist is going to get additional changes when OB arrives, because it does seem slightly weird that a ranger can arguably do a much better job or at least is more efficient than a duelist is when it comes to duel wielding. Seems rather weird how this is the case atm, and yes it can still work as a duelist, my duelist DW is level 67 right now, but it was not easy using self found gear with no stash and the damage you seem to take can be pretty insane on a regular basis.
I did not seem to have any problems with my gear leveling. She was my first toon after last wipe, and was 6th place at the one week rewards. Get a good amount of life leech and keep your weapons current, you should be able to leech your way right on through to endgame.
RegnarDrowsII - 79 DW Ranger, #6 One month race 10/16/2012
I'm playing a shadow with CI+GR and daggers right now but I would prefer a DW ranger/duelist with BM for OB.

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EpsiIon wrote:
The issue lies solely in how the two classes are expected to mitigate damage, while ranger is literally drowning in life nodes, duelist is drowning, so to speak, in armor/evasion nodes.


If I compare those two builds, Ceto's ranger and ransagy's duelist, there are five 8% life for the ranger and three 8% life and one 1% life reg for the duelist. So those two 8% life makes this build so much more efficient?

Ceto's Ranger:
http://www.pathofexile.com/passive-skill-tree/AAAAAgIBAdEB5wLQA4cFLQbuDq0UIBR1GNsZLhutIWAj9iftKLUppTIJNDU1hjWSNug4ljpSOrM67UCgQ5xGaUjuSlNKfU7IUEdQUFRJVgRW-lcNWGNYr1pIW69fP2BLYIhhUmMXZ6BwcnTtdPF253iueu-GYId2jM-QCpVml3Cdqp65ns2fy6cwr-u3F7nNud3BB8bY0iHTftRS1I_Xftlh21XdDd-_51Ltg-4O7w7vTu_w8i_z3fZI_MU=

ransagy's Duelist:
http://www.pathofexile.com/passive-skill-tree/AAAAAgQBAecEsQUtBu4OrRLhFCAUUhR1GNshYCi1KaUshTIJNDU1hjboOJY6UjqzOu1AoEOcR35KfUxgUEdQUFPfVElWBFcNWGNY21oaW69fP2BLYIhhUmMXZU1noGoedO108XrvhNmE74Zgh3aMz5HOl3CZK5stm4Odqp65ns2fy6LqpzCoGKvFtxe5zbndu-3BB8bYypDM29Ih1FLXftlh3Q3fv-dS7w7vTvIv9kj3vvzF
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krelian81 wrote:
I'm playing a shadow with CI+GR and daggers right now but I would prefer a DW ranger/duelist with BM for OB.

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EpsiIon wrote:
The issue lies solely in how the two classes are expected to mitigate damage, while ranger is literally drowning in life nodes, duelist is drowning, so to speak, in armor/evasion nodes.


If I compare those two builds, Ceto's ranger and ransagy's duelist, there are five 8% life for the ranger and three 8% life and one 1% life reg for the duelist. So those two 8% life makes this build so much more efficient?

Ceto's Ranger:
http://www.pathofexile.com/passive-skill-tree/AAAAAgIBAdEB5wLQA4cFLQbuDq0UIBR1GNsZLhutIWAj9iftKLUppTIJNDU1hjWSNug4ljpSOrM67UCgQ5xGaUjuSlNKfU7IUEdQUFRJVgRW-lcNWGNYr1pIW69fP2BLYIhhUmMXZ6BwcnTtdPF253iueu-GYId2jM-QCpVml3Cdqp65ns2fy6cwr-u3F7nNud3BB8bY0iHTftRS1I_Xftlh21XdDd-_51Ltg-4O7w7vTu_w8i_z3fZI_MU=

ransagy's Duelist:
http://www.pathofexile.com/passive-skill-tree/AAAAAgQBAecEsQUtBu4OrRLhFCAUUhR1GNshYCi1KaUshTIJNDU1hjboOJY6UjqzOu1AoEOcR35KfUxgUEdQUFPfVElWBFcNWGNY21oaW69fP2BLYIhhUmMXZU1noGoedO108XrvhNmE74Zgh3aMz5HOl3CZK5stm4Odqp65ns2fy6LqpzCoGKvFtxe5zbndu-3BB8bYypDM29Ih1FLXftlh3Q3fv-dS7w7vTvIv9kj3vvzF


ransagy might as well have been a marauder by the looks of it, just another thing to consider, whatever a duelist can do, a marauder and ranger can too, sometimes better.
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