Chris: ALT-F4 LEGIT STRAT

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That used to be the case but it was changed in a patch a few months ago. Alt+F4 now incurs a small delay before the character leaves the game.

Source?

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PolarisOrbit wrote:

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kasub wrote:

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SL4Y3R wrote:

Esc+Exit is much faster.

Further, it's not ironic. Since it's not cheating.

Why do people keep saying this? Chris has posted more than once that they are the exact same. There is no delay.

That used to be the case but it was changed in a patch a few months ago. Alt+F4 now incurs a small delay before the character leaves the game.

Why wouldn't Alt+F4 have a delay? If Alt+F4 sends any messages to the server as part of its shutdown routine, we should cut that shit out.

A long time ago in closed beta, there was a conv with chris in hc global about removing the ability to instantly leave the game. His statement at the time was something along the lines of "we havent decided yet, still considering our options".

Seems they made the wrong decision. Cant say im surpised at this point, but still, too bad.

So what is the conclusion after 27 pages?

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Pyrokar wrote:

So what is the conclusion after 27 pages?

It doesn't matter if alt f4 is endorsed or not, the alternative is much more harmful to the game(delay when disconnecting).

After 27 pages its obviously, you Always will have different opinions, solutions are to change the name Hardcore in Semi-Hardcore or add another league really Hardcore and that is without escape to safety, no matter what. The game will still be FTW imho.

GGG weighed between the options and decided, just like D2, that for the sake of the victims of legitimate DCs and the technically difficulty of determining the reason for a DC, instant log-out will stay. It personally never appeared to me that way because i never truely accepted the fact that it will stay. What i would have expected was something like:

'We dislike it and we would like to see it go when we can implement a satisfying solution.'

It didn't really came fully through to me that you would say:

'Everyone could have seen in the vast amount of attempts that others did that there just is no solution other than living with the consequences and accounting for them to the best of our abilities. Besides that, we believe that the consequences it had on the playstyle of D2 and on our own game back when the issue arose were positive. The difference in playstyle between having the possibility to instant log out via Alt+F4, or by getting a regular disconnect, which our system cannot distinguish, to not being able to and having to pre plan 30secs of disconnect is immense and the latter not diserable.'

For me the equivalence Chris' used for Alt+F4 and log out from other sources made it difficult to understand. They are equivalent when talking about instant log out, but he didn't point out that the difference in game design would have been the same without Alt+F4 and only instant log out on(regular) disconnect, as in you can have mean monsters that kill you in 1sec because when SOMETHING kills the connection, the player instantly disconnects, but that having this automatically means Alt+F4 works too out of technical reasons.

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Pyrokar wrote:

So what is the conclusion after 27 pages?

1. Most people have issues with hardcore's name (as suggested, change the name to babbycore so the softcorers are happy and don't have to feel inferior).
2. Alt+F4 feels cheesy.
3. It's still best for the game, see D3's hardcore which is basically dead because of the 10 second delay. It does not only reduce frustration due to desync/dcs, it also makes playing hardcore more fun since you can play more recklessly.

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Chris wrote:

Maybe my explanation in the Raptr Q&A isn't optimal (I answered over 100 questions rapidly), but I stand by our reasoning that causes us to allow people to drop instantly.

We want our fights to have large swings of damage and to cause a rush of adrenaline in the player. If the game didn't allow you to drop instantly then we'd have to dumb down the fights so much. We've tried it.

In addition, it means that we're able to make hard boss fights that players can attrition if they choose to. If we had to design the act bosses so that players needed to kill them in one go without dying then they would be pushovers.

We have said this multiple times on the forum and in interviews before (as well as implementing the game to be that way) - our stance shouldn't be a surprise!

Seems like a really narrow, black and white way of looking at making the game challenging.

Most players aren't going to use the alt+F4 to their advantage. A lot of players even view that as cheating, or at the very least a chickenshit way of playing.

I don't even see why it would be necessary to tone the bosses down any. Just remove the instant logout. If the HC players want to truly be HC, then that means playing without a kill switch.

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Xavderion wrote:

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Pyrokar wrote:

So what is the conclusion after 27 pages?

1. Most people have issues with hardcore's name (as suggested, change the name to babbycore so the softcorers are happy and don't have to feel inferior).
2. Alt+F4 feels cheesy.
3. It's still best for the game, see D3's hardcore which is basically dead because of the 10 second delay. It does not only reduce frustration due to desync/dcs, it also makes playing hardcore more fun since you can play more recklessly.

Best post so far. Maybe they should additionally implement a hardcore league with a delay timer and see how many people will be playing it after a month. I bet that wont be many.