Why I'm quitting PoE and no longer recommending it to friends

Puts well over 100 hours into a Closed Beta of a F2P game. Says he enjoyed it. Quits and says he won't recommend game to others because he can't get the item he wants.

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winz wrote:

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indczn wrote:

awww... the strongest item attribute, 6link, is hard to get... how awful... so very very awful. Such a shame it takes a bit of effort to get. :(

I can understand him. The thing is that gems in this game are not just an extra bonus, they pretty much make or break your char. If you have a 6 linked chest for example you will pretty much never upgrade it. You need to drop a better gear and then manage to 6 link it, that will happen once every 6 months if you are lucky, therefore there is a point where there will be nothing else to farm because you are stuck with your sockets.

This is an inherent flaw of the Skill Gem system. Skills are the most important thing in any RPG and they are tied directly to an item mod. You can't upgrade your gear if you won't be able to use your skills on the new piece.

There should be an orb, a bit rare that requires some farm to craft, that allows you to swap the sockets from Item A to Item B. That way if you find an update you are not stuck in your old gear because of sockets.

You know in D3 when you drop a legendary and you ID it and it's crap, a big let down? Here you drop a legendary and it has no sockets so you can't use it, it's an amazing piece of gear but since you have a 6 linked you will pretty much never wear that unique.

I understand him too. I've likely logged far more hours and burned fusings than he has. I've had 1 6 link, and that was many patches (.9.7 for reference) ago. Hell, I've run countless characters without even a 5link. His whining is so far off base because 6 link is by far, without a doubt, the most benificial attribute (aside from the absurdity of something like +1000hp lol) an item can have. 6L, even 5l are a luxury, its absolutely unnecessary for any character, and given the 6l/5l usefulness, it should be very hard to get. If it weren't, OP wouldn't be posting about not being able to get it.

Most skills work well enough with 4 links, most skills work well enough with a wide variety of supports. Sometimes its not ideal, but if the item is "that amazing" without the links, then the player should be able to work around it, be it with different supports or changing other equipment.

Give post-open beta a couple months, without wipes, the game will become "too easy" due to the prevalence of 6L and other godly items. It better be hard to obtain, to delay the inevitable item power creep that will be there.

I would do 1500 for a 6L, all day every day, of course I would roll them personally because I like the thrill of the gamble and the odds are in my favor to hit jackpot before reaching the 1500. I've found and crafted many 6Ls over the course of beta, and the power increase from a 5L is just so over the top that really they should stay the rarest items in game, even rarer than they are now as I feel I will get them too soon and run of out goals in game. I'm talking rare to the point that when someone finds/crafts one they are so excited it gets posted in a Trophy room forum page and people start throwing offers at the guys feet to buy it for more than their rent is.

Remember people there are "perfect" items in Diablo 2 that still have never been found, after over a decade of players and botters. Even some close to "perfects" have sold for well over $3000. Without mystical "perfects" to chase after what really is left in a game like this after the first few months.

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Panda413 wrote:

Puts well over 100 hours into a Closed Beta of a F2P game. Says he enjoyed it. Quits and says he won't recommend game to others because he can't get the item he wants.

Person tries to give honest feedback and you call him a [name removed]?

This is why 10 year olds shouldn't be allowed in the beta...they can't come up with constructive rebuttals.

I haven't flamed in quite a while. the OP just reeks of unobtainable ego trip. I hope GGG does not lose sight of why they make 6Ls so very rare. Think about this, a 6L is also equal to 2 5ls or 3 4Ls even. Like wearing multiple gears in one. It is tremendously OP. For balancing purposes I would even strongly recommend removing this capability.

Of course, since this is not going to happen, it's not amking me rage quit tho. :P

I don't think OP was on an "ego trip". I think he didn't stop to consider the odds of what he was trying to do. There's only an 81% shot of rolling a 6L with 510 orbs and I imagine he already blew a couple hundred jewelers getting the 6 sockets. Not getting the 6L is unlucky but not ridiculously so. The thing I find interesting is that OP passed up multiple 5L rolls along the way. There is a >99.9% chance that he saw at least three 5L rolls.

And no, I would not trade 1500 orbs for a 6L. There is a >99% chance you would roll a 6L on the item of your choice. Also you'd be passing up a LOT of 5L items. A trade of 500 orbs would be more interesting to consider, because you're looking at a 20% chance of losing all your fusings for nothing vs. a sure thing.

Now, the big question is whether players are supposed to eventually have access to 6L items or whether they are supposed to be reserved for the elite few? With the high cost/rarity of fusing orbs, the low probability of even getting a 6S item, and the large number of fusings it can take to get a 6L it appears that 6L are reserved for only the richest or luckiest players. The best "casual" players can expect is a 5L. I'm not sure I like the design very well but at least now I know not to waste time and effort trying to get a 6L.

I played D2 for several thousand hours over the course of ten years and the random number gods were so cruel to me, believe it or not I never had an soj drop for me, always had to get them from friends. So to me this is a non issue and is what actually keeps me playing at high levels.

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Chris wrote:

If there was a vendor recipe to guarantee six linked sockets if you traded in 1500 fusings, would you use it?

Edit: I'm not saying it takes 1500 fusings to get six linked sockets :P

I think such a recipe would be a good thing. 1500 might be a bit high though. The problem isn't the rarity of a 6L or the difficulty to get it, the problem is the frustration caused by the way to get it. Therefore, providing a safe way to get it sounds like a good solution.

On a side note, I never use anything more than 4L because it's not necessary to clear the content. I still understand how powerful they are, but they aren't necessary. I think some manacost (skill or support) should be increased to create an artificial cap, if only few builds can handle a 5-supported skill, the need for 6L will be lowered.

You could put 1000 chaos into an item and not get the mods youre looking for as well. The difference? There isnt one. You dont need 6 perfect affixes any more than you need 6 linked sockets. For that matter, the entire main campaign (facedown on the beach to merciless oversoul) is playable with 3-links and blues, both of which are easily obtainable by everyone.

Also, whats with the number of threads dedicated to raging about top end luxury items not being guaranteed acquisitions? If you dont enjoy rng based itemization, perhaps this game (and the genre in general) is indeed not for you.

Never bought fusings or jewelers from others, i bought like 200 gcps with fusings. Having
its took me near 3-4 days of 3-5 hours farming rare items in piramid\thicket for alteration orbs that i convert too jewelers-fusings. Also i had like 30 5l items that sold to players.

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Chris wrote:

If there was a vendor recipe to guarantee six linked sockets if you traded in 1500 fusings, would you use it?

Edit: I'm not saying it takes 1500 fusings to get six linked sockets :P

With this must be added another recipe, get gurantee unique with 1500 orbs of chance, i wont have 6 links, my build req's 0 sockets in armor, really bored spam toons of scour\chances on glorious plate for nothing :).