Petrov's Elemental Bow Ranger Build(s) (0.10)

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3 hits, either LA+LMP or LA+Chain.
LA+LMP+Chain = 9 hits.
9 hits x 34 life = 250 life gained.

Second thing about shock stacking, in brief:
50% + 220% + 220% (LA+Chain)
^triple that for LA+LMP+Chain.

If you are lucky, you will perpetually hit for 220%, instead of 100% without chain.

i hope this clears it up better. 220% owns, period.

First of all, LA can hit up to 4. Target and up to 3 additional enemies near the target. Second, that is not what you claimed above. You claimed that 1 target hit by LA would proc life on hit twice. And third, I NEVER claimed that you could not leech enough life to cover the mana cost. Lets use your example shall we? 9 hits x 34 life = 250 life gained. Now take that 250 life gained and subtract the 114 life it costs to cast. Now take that same amount and subtract 65 instead. Do you see what I was getting at? No way is this a dealbreaker, in fact I have stated that several times. But when your pinned down and cant afford to move every little bit can make a difference. The whole purpose of the 2nd build is to be tanky enough to not have to kite. And lets face it, no matter which method of linking your LA you choose, those pesky ele resist mobs will take some time to down.

Shock stacking. By the time you get to your magical 220% bonus dmg (20% chance to shock so who knows how long it will take) I will have the pack completely annihilated. In what way is it better to kill slower but have your last few arrows hit harder? And correct me if I am wrong but isn't 550 x 220% still less than my 3.5k arrow? And after some digging in malices mechanics thread I found that each instance of shock adds 40% additional dmg. I have no idea where you came up with 220% when it is actually only 120% at 3 stacks. And before you get to 3 stacks my pack will be dead.

My DEEPEST apology to anyone that read what I wrote and took it as "chain is awful DO NOT USE" I merely wanted to offer an alternative. You WILL kill just as good and fast w/o chain. Period. Tested and true.

Also, I am curious what your ideal 5L with chain would be.

What's the theory for taking Resolute Technique? Since we're playing DEX characters we will have a really high accuracy to begin with, plus we randomly get some on gear, plus if you use Projectile Weakness curse you effectively get even more. We rarely miss as it is, so why take it?

On the other hand, crits do wonderful things with elemental damage: freezing enemies, and shocking them especially. Plus the fun screen shaking. :)

I took it as soon as I could after getting Blood Magic, as I went up towards Static Blows, so I've had it for a lot of levels. I just used a respec point to take it away and now I'm critting again. It feels like I'm doing better solo killing groups of skeletons in Merciless Ledge, but I don't have any real data to back that up. It could just be my imagination. Sometimes though, I'll two-hit a huge group, and that's pretty great. On the first hit I'll get a freeze crit, then on the second hit they all explode. This is using Lightning Arrow and LMP.

I'm level 54, and this is my first character to get this high, so I don't have any experience with end game content and how Resolute Technique might help there. For all I know there are monsters with 90% evasion.

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Urpo wrote:

What's the theory for taking Resolute Technique? Since we're playing DEX characters we will have a really high accuracy to begin with, plus we randomly get some on gear, plus if you use Projectile Weakness curse you effectively get even more. We rarely miss as it is, so why take it?

On the other hand, crits do wonderful things with elemental damage: freezing enemies, and shocking them especially. Plus the fun screen shaking. :)

I took it as soon as I could after getting Blood Magic, as I went up towards Static Blows, so I've had it for a lot of levels. I just used a respec point to take it away and now I'm critting again. It feels like I'm doing better solo killing groups of skeletons in Merciless Ledge, but I don't have any real data to back that up. It could just be my imagination. Sometimes though, I'll two-hit a huge group, and that's pretty great. On the first hit I'll get a freeze crit, then on the second hit they all explode. This is using Lightning Arrow and LMP.

I'm level 54, and this is my first character to get this high, so I don't have any experience with end game content and how Resolute Technique might help there. For all I know there are monsters with 90% evasion.

I don't have any numbers to back it up, but the theory is never missing > the small chance to crit. Bows in general have very low crit chance and most ele builds do not have the spare points to buff this. Also at level 54 you cannot really get an idea of what your hit chance will be in endgame. Watch your next few levels. You will start to see your hit chance drop because at the later levels you are pumping your highway points into str and not dex.

if you are comparing 500 with shock damage, and 3500, you are doing it wrong.
you should compare your 3500 against your 'halved' chain dmg.

secondly, from poe wiki. I have also disclaimed myself in my other post from explaining the effects of shock stack. Do not quote me as you have above. :)

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Shock causes affected targets to take increased damage. This can be stacked up to three times on one target. In this state, monsters or players take 40% more damage per instance of Shock from all sources. Under the effects of 3 stacks of Shock, an enemy would take 220% of the damage that would normally be done without any Shock effects, no matter the type or source of the damage.

thirdly, any build needs hp not just the stand-and-tank build. My mere assumption for hp is only for life-regen which negates the cast cost of LA. I apologize if this has shrouded your assumptions.

Last, LA+LMP+Fasteratk+life gain is the basic i would run with 4L. But on 5L, i'd do Chain and weapon ele.

My suggestion to readers is that Chain is not what he has claimed to gimp your dps and makes you kill slower. Bear in mind chain increases chance to shock. If you believe otherwise, there is no point in getting static blows as the "paper" or "tooltip" dps doesnt show. Maybe going irongrip/inner force/projectile dmg/ias would be viable alternatives too.

Sorry, but 220% is my game. It is somehow very amusing the amount of "variation" and suggestions in this thread. Previously was Eredia's irongrip.

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Dragon585 wrote:

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Urpo wrote:

What's the theory for taking Resolute Technique? Since we're playing DEX characters we will have a really high accuracy to begin with, plus we randomly get some on gear, plus if you use Projectile Weakness curse you effectively get even more. We rarely miss as it is, so why take it?

On the other hand, crits do wonderful things with elemental damage: freezing enemies, and shocking them especially. Plus the fun screen shaking. :)

I took it as soon as I could after getting Blood Magic, as I went up towards Static Blows, so I've had it for a lot of levels. I just used a respec point to take it away and now I'm critting again. It feels like I'm doing better solo killing groups of skeletons in Merciless Ledge, but I don't have any real data to back that up. It could just be my imagination. Sometimes though, I'll two-hit a huge group, and that's pretty great. On the first hit I'll get a freeze crit, then on the second hit they all explode. This is using Lightning Arrow and LMP.

I'm level 54, and this is my first character to get this high, so I don't have any experience with end game content and how Resolute Technique might help there. For all I know there are monsters with 90% evasion.

I don't have any numbers to back it up, but the theory is never missing > the small chance to crit. Bows in general have very low crit chance and most ele builds do not have the spare points to buff this. Also at level 54 you cannot really get an idea of what your hit chance will be in endgame. Watch your next few levels. You will start to see your hit chance drop because at the later levels you are pumping your highway points into str and not dex.

crit comparison is not optimum in this case imo. Basically the build does not give sufficient dex for accuracy.

my stats, results may vary on gear.


However, what dragon has pointed out is correct that bows get retardedly low base crit chance. Going crit is possible, but not with this build.

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keta wrote:

Iam lvl 79, lvl 80 in 10%^^
FOr my bow i just but an ilvl78 white 3 gcp, and i use 25 chaos for get that stat.
First i play with a 4L and yesterday i make a 5L but i have to use 274 Jewllers for 6S and 104 fusing for 5L ...

wow nice bow mate, that's about 7-8 exalts worth of mats but definitely its a good bow.

i think similar bows go for way insane prices as well.

Thx, i think when i get 100+ fusing i try to make a 6L to put LA on 6L for add faster attack (now i have LA/LMP/Chain/life on hit/weapon ele damage), i think faster attack really up my dps with LA.

But i want to know how a Lyoneyes Glare up my dps, becaus i won really a lot of dps maybe i wait for buy one

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keta wrote:

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xiaozozo wrote:

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keta wrote:

Iam lvl 79, lvl 80 in 10%^^
FOr my bow i just but an ilvl78 white 3 gcp, and i use 25 chaos for get that stat.
First i play with a 4L and yesterday i make a 5L but i have to use 274 Jewllers for 6S and 104 fusing for 5L ...

wow nice bow mate, that's about 7-8 exalts worth of mats but definitely its a good bow.

i think similar bows go for way insane prices as well.

Thx, i think when i get 100+ fusing i try to make a 6L to put LA on 6L for add faster attack (now i have LA/LMP/Chain/life on hit/weapon ele damage), i think faster attack really up my dps with LA.

But i want to know how a Lyoneyes Glare up my dps, becaus i won really a lot of dps maybe i wait for buy one

high base max 260~ coupled with high atk speed 1.7+
it also frees up one skill point, which allows you to put into other skills if required. That is basically the upside of the bow.

If you wouldn't mind could you post a link to the poe wiki page, I was unable to find that section and for some reason my browser doesn't want to load the poewiki sometimes. This is all I could find, taken from http://www.pathofexile.com/forum/view-thread/11707
and it clearly states a maximum of 120% inc dmg taken.

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Lightning damage
If you land a critical strike with an attack or spell that deals lightning damage, the enemy becomes Shocked. This can be stacked up to three times on one target. In this state, monsters or players take 40% additional damage per instance of Shock. Shock stacks additively with itself, for a maximum of 120% with a stack of three. The damage multiplier itself applies multiplicatively with your final damage, since it it increasing the damage the enemy takes, rather than the damage you deal.

I get that chain can increase shock stacking but your replacing faster attacks with it? Faster attacks also increases the rate at which you stack shock debuffs w/o the 50% reduction in damage. With my current gear that actually drops my aps by 1 per second.

I am running through all my previous posts and I can't seem to find any instance in which I stated that players HAVE to use the LA link I have suggested. What I am trying to show (without much success) is that chain is not necessary. While it is true I am biased towards my 5 link it is only because I have used both, and feel that the kill speed of mine is superior. Apparently I lack the means of proving it so I give up. I'm no expert. I just wanted to share my experience with this build.

But before I do, here are some tests in my current(mf) gear.
My way of linking LA 2448 dps
Your way of linking LA 961 dps

Now assuming you DO have 3 stacks of shock maintained, and assuming it is 220% increased damage 961 * 220% = 2114
Please forgive me if my math is wrong, I admit I do suck at it. Now let us be real. With the 2nd build Mr. P has provided us we are sitting at a 20% chance to shock enemies. Relying on something 20% of the time to make your 5link better is a bad way to build. The 20% chance to shock should be treated as icing on the cake to an already amazing build. If I can annihilate packs of mobs w/o the need of shock stacking even though I have the capability to do so, I call that a win. I can see this being superior in a group setting where one's personal dps < than the groups overall dps.

So my build hits harder and faster with NO shocks at the cost of my arrows not being able to seek out and find 2 more targets. Imagine what it does with a 3 stack.

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Sorry, but 220% is my game. It is somehow very amusing the amount of "variation" and suggestions in this thread. Previously was Eredia's irongrip.

What amuses ME, is that you are amused by other people's "variations" while you yourself sit back and provide incorrect data to support your claims.

In all due respect, i respect your choice for links.

Like i wanted to say and highlight, versatility and flexbility and synergy from iron-grip, and now chain, is almost as important than just dps itself.

I do not doubt your conversations with petrov (as listed in the posts before) that you might have come to the current conclusion. Feel free to provide an alternate advice to the forumers.

Haha, cheers.