[1.0.6] CI Crit Dagger Shadow (30k DPS Flicker Ninja) [OB video up!]

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Anamaeus wrote:

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Malum95 wrote:

Guys I need some help with the mechanics of Lightning strike...

Do the projectiles do pure light dmg? or does it do mixed physical+light (+added cold/fire/light etc from gear/auras) ?

Taken directly from the wiki page on the skill lightning strike

"When the melee attack is made, three lightning projectiles will shoot out in a ~85 degree arc, traveling in a straight line untill they strike an enemy. Unmodified projectiles will do 70% of full weapon damage, of which 50% is physical and 50% is lightning damage (the bolts benefit from added damage, e.g. as from aura's), against any target struck. Linking a Lesser Multiple Projectiles or Greater Multiple Projectiles support gem will multiplicatively reduce the damage of each projectile and spread further projectiles out within the 85 degree arc.

Cannot Miss: This applies only to the projectiles launched after you initiated the strike. Swinging in enemies' general direction will result in projectiles with a hit/miss chance equal to that of the skill itself. Projectiles that miss will be dissipated without doing damage.

Converted Damage: Like all converted damage, the lightning portion of Lightning Strike's damage will be modified by both lightning damage and physical damage increases. Furthermore, the damage done by the lightning bolts is considered projectile damage (instead of melee), therefore any Strength bonus does not apply. "

ahk so I will only leech 50%(physical leech) from 70% of my physical dmg X however much leech i have with each projectile?

50% of the dmg as physical is the potential leech, which your leech % will get to work from. Assuming you have Vaal pact you won't be capped on that number but if not you'll be limited.

Selling what is left of my old flicker/ls gear if anyone is interested

What are your guys opinions on what quality gems to get first? I have LS and found a viper strike.

@Anamaeus: late reply, but thanks for the comments on inner force!

You're welcome! I'd recommend getting a Flicker strike with quality as well, since the returns on it are pretty solid in my opinion. Double strike with quality is a good choice too since it adds attack speed. Really any gem in this build with quality is worth while, but I guess if you were aiming for an order to go with, get all your skill gems then aim for LMP quality and WED quality first.

hey guys, currently a lvl 51 shadow, just running ledge to get up mah levels for docks to get up some more levels to finaly map at 64/66ish lol. And I was just looking for some opinions/suggestions on my gear.

I have atm calculated I will have atleast 75 allres with the gear I am about to link, altho I think I need to get a new belt with some strength and wep eledmg%, as I probably wont have enough to cap light strike, and not sure on the passive str gems. Also wondering, to run haste+disc+hatred+wrath how much max mana will I need? Or how much mana do I want to have left over for my attacks, and how much % lifeleech will I need(including the passive) / mana regen?

my 96pt plan, tightly based from all 3 build suggestions (invalesco and 2 other guys, sorry can't remember the names LOL)

anyway, here's my gear (Note; I plan to permanently use dream frags as I absolutely hate being frozen, especialy with ci builds, and as for chayula and my crit ammy, I'm not sure how I will go with the stuns, I may have to use chayula most of the time, hopefuly can wear the other for more dps tho, and for the 5link occultist, it's a temp(currently finding a vaal/widowsilk 5/6link that suits me ;) ) and don't mind the gems, gear on diff chars atm as they're being used as temps lol. Hoping to use sin treks but I need to find some resistances elsewhere, like on my new chest for example :S and trying to alter a remove curse on mana pot, to no avail yet lol


Notes on dagger as i've had a fair few people ask me about it; 183 PDPS(230 accuracy makes it, in my opinion, considerably more due to this builds lower accuracy).

Out of pure curiosity, has anyone tried this spec vs. invalesco's similar HP/Armor spec for PvP? Trying to decide which one will be stronger, if anyone has any input fire away.

I play a CI Claw build that focuses more on attack speed and life leech than crit, but is very similar to this build. With over 8K ES, I have done fairly well with it in PvP. I havent played much though, and Bear Trap is very annoying, but that would probably be the same for any melee.

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Malum95 wrote:

hey guys, currently a lvl 51 shadow, just running ledge to get up mah levels for docks to get up some more levels to finaly map at 64/66ish lol. And I was just looking for some opinions/suggestions on my gear.

I have atm calculated I will have atleast 75 allres with the gear I am about to link, altho I think I need to get a new belt with some strength and wep eledmg%, as I probably wont have enough to cap light strike, and not sure on the passive str gems. Also wondering, to run haste+disc+hatred+wrath how much max mana will I need? Or how much mana do I want to have left over for my attacks, and how much % lifeleech will I need(including the passive) / mana regen?

my 96pt plan, tightly based from all 3 build suggestions (invalesco and 2 other guys, sorry can't remember the names LOL)

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http://www.pathofexile.com/passive-skill-tree/AAAAAgYABX0MfQ5IEHsQfxEvEZYVUBXXFr8Z1xzcHhonqSgqKPoqOCsKLL8s4TBUM5Y74UGHQYxGcUcGVmNW6lb1X2ptGXBScFZzP3q4feN-WX_GgseGrofbiEKIa4t6jAuOio9GkBuTJ5Ugl9CZV5mamhOdo6Kjpn-nCKcrpzSsZq6TsbO0DLTFtUi297iTuT65fL46wFHBAMHFwfPC7MNtxp7Xhth22xrbbtvU4vfjhOn-62Pr7uwY7LDtQfPq9Uv8q_-T

anyway, here's my gear (Note; I plan to permanently use dream frags as I absolutely hate being frozen, especialy with ci builds, and as for chayula and my crit ammy, I'm not sure how I will go with the stuns, I may have to use chayula most of the time, hopefuly can wear the other for more dps tho, and for the 5link occultist, it's a temp(currently finding a vaal/widowsilk 5/6link that suits me ;) ) and don't mind the gems, gear on diff chars atm as they're being used as temps lol. Hoping to use sin treks but I need to find some resistances elsewhere, like on my new chest for example :S and trying to alter a remove curse on mana pot, to no avail yet lol

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Notes on dagger as i've had a fair few people ask me about it; 183 PDPS(230 accuracy makes it, in my opinion, considerably more due to this builds lower accuracy).

I'll take a stab at it, first your tree.

I see you've gotten more or less every node while skipping an ES cluster and Dagger/Accuracy nodes on the damage cluster by CI. Why is this? Will you have such an astounding setup that you won't need ES or do you just value the damage so much so?

Also, the Accuracy bonus on those damage nodes is pretty considerable when you start stacking up flat amounts of accuracy, I'd reconsider not getting them because of their potent addition to your DPS. 16% Overall accuracy may not seem like a lot, but if you can stack up 1,000 accuracy from your gear (2x 300 rings, 200 amulet, 200 headgear for example) you'll get an additional 160 and in my experience accuracy raises dps numbers across the charts almost 2 to 1 point to point when you are at a higher level.

On to your gear, first I'd do away with the notion that Dream Fragments and Chayula are a must for your setup. They are better used in PvP for DF to prevent freeze lock. If you have a problem being chilled/frozen the more effective route to take is to use a flask with the Heat affix. Now I know you want to put to good use your ring, but I think the slot is so valuable for other stats that it hardly merits the use of DF. You could be stacking lightning damage, strength, life leech, accuracy, all resistance, +ES, and attack speed in that slot. The benefit of having dream fragment for the cold res, extra mana and cannot be frozen affixes are really nice but you'll still find yourself chilled while wearing it and that can be dangerous on high level maps too.

Secondly about Chayula, it's really best served as a solo-mfing tool and again the same argument can be put up against it as the DF, it just does not do enough in it's slot to merit the full time usage of it. You could be getting All Stats, All Res, Crit Chance, Crit Multi, Accuracy, Str, Lightning Damage, +ES, Life Leech, Mana Leech, and a host of other useful mods that can do a lot more for your overall picture than just the all stats, mf and cannot be stunned affixes of Chayula. I really want to stress that Chayula while it's great at first for newer Shadows getting into the higher end of the game makes people lazy. What I mean by this is when you get used to not having to kite multiple archers hitting you because you don't get the stun lock animation, you tend to forget how dangerous letting mobs hit you constantly can be. It just leads to poor mechanics and that shouldn't be an excuse to use an item when it's stats are inferior to a rare amulet you could pick up for the same price or cheaper if you're patient with the market.

In reference to the question about aura stack, you'd have to get the opinion of someone else as I don't run but two auras at once since I myself am lazy in that regard and rely on a team to do so since I am always running maps now. But if I had to take a guess at it you'd want 150 or so mana to operate with uncapped so that you could get out a couple of lightning strikes at a time and flicker strike through the mobs while you are regenerating mana from your leech.

Sin Treks are great for pvp, if you want a shoe more suited to this build for pve go for Rainbow Strides. They are a great niche item for our build type and they do everything you would want them to do for a pve shoe. If I had one drop into my lap I'd run them over Sin Treks for pve because of the extra layer of ES, Mana and Res which is handy for maps when you are cursed with elemental weakness and taken below capped res. The spell block is neat too.

You touched on what your belt needed already, str and WED. Get some accuracy on your hat!

Everything else looks alright, hope that helps you some.

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Vaux wrote:

Out of pure curiosity, has anyone tried this spec vs. invalesco's similar HP/Armor spec for PvP? Trying to decide which one will be stronger, if anyone has any input fire away.

If I had to wager in a heads up fight between two equally geared/leveled mirrors with the difference between them simply being this build vs that one I would put my money on the CI version. Why? Because we have a sneaky tool to our advantage that they aren't as equipped to defend against.

Viper Strike.