Looting -- The official thread for discussing the loot system. Updated 18th March, 2013.

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thepmrc wrote:

2players = 150% quantity = 75% per person
3players = 200% quantity = 67% per person
4players = 250% quantity = 62.5% per person
etc...

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iamstryker wrote:

I thought it was common knowledge that there is less loot overall per player in a party than if each player was playing solo. The biggest actual bonus to playing in a party is just that it clears faster, Most everyone in here agrees that partying is too easy so how about making the monsters harder? Why is it a requirement that to achieve difficulty players have to compete against each other?

Loot per person per map
2players = 75% per person / 0.5 map cost per run = 150%
3players = 67% per person / 0.33 map cost per run = 200%
4players = 62.5% per person / 0.25 map cost per run = 250%
etc...

In terms of map received from maps, per map, per player
2 players = 1 map drops / 2 players * 2 runs per map = 100%
3 players = 1 map drops / 3 players * 3 runs per map = 100%
4 players = 1 map drops / 4 players * 4 runs per map = 100%
etc...

Kill speed (virtual DPS increase) (this is synonymous with XP per unit time)
2 players = 2 players DPSing / 1.5 monster health = 133%
3 players = 3 players DPSing / 2 monster health = 150%
4 players = 4 players DPSing / 2.5 monster health = 160%
etc...

Loot per unit time (kill speed times loot per kill)
2players = 75% loot per kill per person * 133% kill speed = 100%
3players = 67% loot per kill per person * 150% kill speed = 100%
4players = 62.5% loot per kill per person * 160% kill speed = 100%
etc...

XP per map
2players = 100% * 2 runs per map = 200%
3players = 100% * 3 runs per map = 300%
4players = 100% * 4 runs per map = 400%
etc...

No. Drawbacks. Whatsoever.

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iamstryker wrote:

Why is it a requirement that to achieve difficulty players have to compete against each other?

One of the great unanswered questions!

Scrotie are you really only arriving at your conclusion by adding in map cost?? Maps are cheap and so are alchs. Are you assuming that everyone who uses and enjoys PA are in full groups that share the cost of maps? I never do that. I open my party and run whatever maps that I want to run. Sometimes I just alt and augment which is cheap as hell.

Kill speed is a result of the game being too easy in a party which is not the fault of PA. Partying has always been too easy on any looting system in this game.

You can believe what you want but I certainly don't get more loot using PA. Its just a play style. I really think your wasting your time being upset that people are using PA.

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iamstryker wrote:

Scrotie are you really only arriving at your conclusion by adding in map cost?? Maps are cheap and so are alchs. Are you assuming that everyone who uses and enjoys PA are in full groups that share the cost of maps? I never do that. I open my party and run whatever maps that I want to run. Sometimes I just alt and augment which is cheap as hell.

The point is that there are zero drawbacks. You get XP much faster, you spend less on maps and the currency to modify them, and you still get everything else just as fast.

It's easier to be generous when you're in the land of plenty.

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ScrotieMcB wrote:

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iamstryker wrote:

Scrotie are you really only arriving at your conclusion by adding in map cost?? Maps are cheap and so are alchs. Are you assuming that everyone who uses and enjoys PA are in full groups that share the cost of maps? I never do that. I open my party and run whatever maps that I want to run. Sometimes I just alt and augment which is cheap as hell.

The point is that there are zero drawbacks. You get XP much faster, you spend less on maps and the currency to modify them, and you still get everything else just as fast.

It's easier to be generous when you're in the land of plenty.

So go to a "group vs solo play" thread, this one is about the loot system.

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Sickness wrote:

So go to a "group vs solo play" thread, this one is about the loot system.

I'm not saying that these group bonuses should be removed, or even changed. (I haven't always held this position.)

What I am saying is that you can afford to get ninja'd (to include maps) and still be ahead, due to the nature of partying alone.

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ScrotieMcB wrote:

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Sickness wrote:

So go to a "group vs solo play" thread, this one is about the loot system.

I'm not saying that these group bonuses should be removed, or even changed. (I haven't always held this position.)

What I am saying is that you can afford to get ninja'd (to include maps) and still be ahead, due to the nature of partying alone.

Yes. And given that fact, people still avoided playing in groups! What does that tell you?

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Sickness wrote:

Yes. And given that fact, people still avoided playing in groups! What does that tell you?

That something like a karma system is needed to make the SA system less reliant on blind decisions and trusting strangers. Not necessarily that karma system; just some kind of additional, information-providing mechanic.

Not that GGG needs to give up on its principles.

Oh, and it wasn't that many people. Most everyone still partied for the bonuses, but raged when they'd get their stuff "stolen." A few of these ragers started very popular QQ threads.

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ScrotieMcB wrote:

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Sickness wrote:

Yes. And given that fact, people still avoided playing in groups! What does that tell you?

That something like a karma system is needed to make the SA system less reliant on blind decisions and trusting strangers. Not necessarily that karma system; just some kind of additional, information-providing mechanic.

Not that GGG needs to give up on its principles.

Oh, and it wasn't that many people. Most everyone still partied for the bonuses, but raged when they'd get their stuff "stolen." A few of these ragers started very popular QQ threads.

It tells me that actually enjoying the game is far more important for people than you give it credit for.


If the point of forcing FFA/SA is so that people can avoid it, isn't it rather pointless?

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That's why it's not small. Right now a member of a six-man group enjoys 3.5 times the non-map loot per map vs solo (after splitting loot, also splitting map cost), equal maps per map, and 71% faster killspeed/XP gain (but not movement speed). Right now the only drawback is portal consumption.

The bottom line for me is that it takes me WAY too long to analyze the drops so I pick up nothing when I am grouped. The looting ratio I "enjoy" in a group is therefore 0% of what I get solo. In D2 you could simply scoop up uniques and ignore everything else and life was fine. In this game there are way too many attributes to consider for me to quickly decide what I want to pick up and what I can ignore.