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So again it simply comes down to the fact that you want to play with people that have slower connections, slower reaction times, or in general don't care for the loot competition. If you have to compete against players that are fast and competent you want no part of it. This is EXACTLY why people support PA as an option. People who want the competition can enjoy HEALTHY competition rather than just preying on noobies, squishies, and people with poor latency. Meanwhile, people that want to relax and have a good time smashing monsters with friends can do so without being forced into 'loot competition'.
The motivation should be to improve as a player so you can compete with everybody else. Or you could simply pay attention since noone can contest your items for 5seconds anyway. Sure, if you run 3000ES in 70+ maps you might not be able to do. In that case you would not be in any position to complain about dying though.
By implementing PA they got rid of that motivation. Now most people will not even try to improve anymore because they dont have to pay attention to the drops at all. Your goal should be to improve as a player, not simply have every best in slot item. If thats your motivation you should just create a private server, create a pair of boots with +30MS +40AllResist +Stat you so desire and be happy.
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Posted bynynyny#3398on Jun 19, 2013, 1:31:37 PM
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So again it simply comes down to the fact that you want to play with people that have slower connections, slower reaction times, or in general don't care for the loot competition. If you have to compete against players that are fast and competent you want no part of it. This is EXACTLY why people support PA as an option. People who want the competition can enjoy HEALTHY competition rather than just preying on noobies, squishies, and people with poor latency. Meanwhile, people that want to relax and have a good time smashing monsters with friends can do so without being forced into 'loot competition'.
The motivation should be to improve as a player so you can compete with everybody else. Or you could simply pay attention since noone can contest your items for 5seconds anyway. Sure, if you run 3000ES in 70+ maps you might not be able to do. In that case you would not be in any position to complain about dying though.
By implementing PA they got rid of that motivation. Now most people will not even try to improve anymore because they dont have to pay attention to the drops at all. Your goal should be to improve as a player, not simply have every best in slot item. If thats your motivation you should just create a private server, create a pair of boots with +30MS +40AllResist +Stat you so desire and be happy.
So again, why is PA/FFA not fun for you when you are playing with people who are faster at looting than you? Why is it that you only enjoy it when the other players are not interested in the competition? In what way does a random group of players enjoying the game in a private party effect your game experience?
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Posted bythepmrc#0256on Jun 19, 2013, 1:52:23 PM
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What in the name of god are you even on about?
PA gives everybody the same amount of loot no matter what they do
SA promotes you paying attention, if you do everybody gets the same amount of loot
FFA is a special case since it promotes specific builds, simple as that
You think the implementation of PA doesnt effect anybody who prefers SA/FFA. Theres no point in arguing with you since you dont even understand that by implementing a superior option said option becomes the standard (less effort, same loot on average, maybe even more), and the others irrelevant unless you play in a private party with friends in which case it most likely doesnt matter what you play since everybody will somewhat cooperate.
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Posted bynynyny#3398on Jun 19, 2013, 2:11:54 PM
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Theres no point in arguing with you since you dont even understand that by implementing a superior option said option becomes the standard (less effort, same loot on average, maybe even more), and the others irrelevant unless you play in a private party with friends in which case it most likely doesnt matter what you play since everybody will somewhat cooperate.
So you feel that PA is a 'superior option' now? Interesting.
Again, why are the other loot options irrelevant? There are plenty of people that prefer to play FFA/SA games so why are those options irrelevant. You have no argument against loot options. You seem to feel that PA is simply the better system and everyone will use it exclusively, which if this is the case, what is the problem? People get to use a superior looting system and enjoy party play. Where is the downside again?
I asked you some very direct questions, way to dodge them all btw.
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Posted bythepmrc#0256on Jun 19, 2013, 2:21:36 PM
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So you feel that PA is a 'superior option' now? Interesting.
Less effort for the same loot, hard to not call that superior is it? It removes the effort and gives you the same payout. I personally prefer the effort because I might be able to get more loot but the majority of people apparently doesnt, which in my opinion isnt a reason to give make said option available to them. You dont buy you child a toy if it comes home with bad grades do you?
Kinda sad that I actually have to explain that.
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Again, why are the other loot options irrelevant? There are plenty of people that prefer to play FFA/SA games so why are those options irrelevant. You have no argument against loot options. You seem to feel that PA is simply the better system and everyone will use it exclusively, which if this is the case, what is the problem? People get to use a superior looting system and enjoy party play. Where is the downside again?
Check the las 50 pages, we explained it a dozen times already.
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Posted bynynyny#3398on Jun 19, 2013, 2:26:24 PM
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So you feel that PA is a 'superior option' now? Interesting.
Less effort for the same loot, hard to not call that superior is it? It removes the effort and gives you the same payout. I personally prefer the effort because I might be able to get more loot but the majority of people apparently doesnt, which in my opinion isnt a reason to give make said option available to them. You dont buy you child a toy if it comes home with bad grades do you?
Kinda sad that I actually have to explain that.
I agree that PA is a superior option, I just find it odd that someone who doesn't want it to be included in the game would call it the 'superior option'. That is the definition of irony.
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Again, why are the other loot options irrelevant? There are plenty of people that prefer to play FFA/SA games so why are those options irrelevant. You have no argument against loot options. You seem to feel that PA is simply the better system and everyone will use it exclusively, which if this is the case, what is the problem? People get to use a superior looting system and enjoy party play. Where is the downside again?
Check the las 50 pages, we explained it a dozen times already.
Oh ya, because you don't get to pick on people with slow connections, squishy characters, or slow reaction times anymore because they can opt out. My bad, I was just looking for actual reasons that might have some merit.
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Posted bythepmrc#0256on Jun 19, 2013, 2:37:54 PM
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I agree that PA is a superior option, I just find it odd that someone who doesn't want it to be included in the game would call it the 'superior option'. That is the definition of irony.
Which shows pretty damn well that you dont understand that superior doesnt automatically mean that its better in all ways.
Its superior in the way that it gives you the same/more for less. But I honestly dont see that as something positive. Its the reason 90% of the games that get released nowadays are utter trash. They catter to a bunch of entitled kids/gamers who dont want to do more than chill, let alone being punished for not paying attention. Why do you think Leauge of Legends is so popular?!
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Posted bynynyny#3398on Jun 19, 2013, 2:44:41 PM
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I agree that PA is a superior option, I just find it odd that someone who doesn't want it to be included in the game would call it the 'superior option'. That is the definition of irony.
Which shows pretty damn well that you dont understand that superior doesnt automatically mean that its better in all ways.
Its superior in the way that it gives you the same/more for less. But I honestly dont see that as something positive. Its the reason 90% of the games that get released nowadays are utter trash. They catter to a bunch of entitled kids/gamers who dont want to do more than chill, let alone being punished for not paying attention. Why do you think Leauge of Legends is so popular?!
While I share your animosity for the direction of the gaming industry I don't think that PoE can really be considered to be catering to entitled kids. Now, if we start getting full respecs, no XP penalties, inflated drop rates, easy leveling to max level, participation awards for races, massive monster damage nerfs, and things like that then I would be worried. Loot options are not going to make people better players, they are not going to make the game easier, they are not going to help people get to max level.
For the record, superior does mean better. They are synonyms. Maybe you just meant that you prefer the inferior system?
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Posted bythepmrc#0256on Jun 19, 2013, 2:52:25 PM
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thepmrc wrote:
I agree that PA is a superior option, I just find it odd that someone who doesn't want it to be included in the game would call it the 'superior option'. That is the definition of irony.
Which shows pretty damn well that you dont understand that superior doesnt automatically mean that its better in all ways.
Its superior in the way that it gives you the same/more for less. But I honestly dont see that as something positive. Its the reason 90% of the games that get released nowadays are utter trash. They catter to a bunch of entitled kids/gamers who dont want to do more than chill, let alone being punished for not paying attention. Why do you think Leauge of Legends is so popular?!
For the record, superior does mean better. They are synonyms. Maybe you just meant that you prefer the inferior system?
You should really practice reading.
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Posted bynynyny#3398on Jun 19, 2013, 3:00:00 PM
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Which shows pretty damn well that you dont understand that superior doesnt automatically mean that its better in all ways.
Its superior in the way that it gives you the same/more for less. But I honestly dont see that as something positive. Its the reason 90% of the games that get released nowadays are utter trash. They catter to a bunch of entitled kids/gamers who dont want to do more than chill, let alone being punished for not paying attention. Why do you think Leauge of Legends is so popular?!
For the record, superior does mean better. They are synonyms. Maybe you just meant that you prefer the inferior system?
You should really practice reading.
You should practice thinking.
Hey, who knew two can play at that game!
Obviously this is a circular argument and is going nowhere. You guys want scrubs in your SA/FFA games to have a better chance at additional loot while the other side wants people to be able to play in the multiplayer environment that best suits them. I am going to take a hiatus from the discussion as it is going nowhere quickly.
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