Looting -- The official thread for discussing the loot system. Updated 18th March, 2013.

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thepmrc wrote:


I'll or I will not Il

you're or you are not your

exactly not exaclty


Just saying, if we are talking analphabets you might want to try a bit harder sir.


I really, really, really don't care man. It was just joking with my comment. BTW, are you striker?

And honestly this garbage about insulting people every single chance you guys have over loot needs to stop. What is wrong with you people..lol? I mean its only like 4 of you that do this constantly.

Every single opinion you guys don't like is met with some sort of 'You're just stupid and pathetic" comment is so bitchy its beyond belief. Some are worse then others.

I would love to see this topic talked about in a real life meeting. Say what you want, but you kids would be giving me foot rubs and making me lunch with a smile.






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Vooodu wrote:

Every single opinion you guys don't like is met with some sort of 'You're just stupid and pathetic" comment is so bitchy its beyond belief. Some are worse then others.

I would love to see this topic talked about in a real life meeting. Say what you want, but you kids would be giving me foot rubs and making me lunch with a smile.


You are one of a kind.
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Sickness wrote:
You are opposing reality. People do play FFA and SA. That is fact. So you are wrong.

Sure, for the moment there are games where people still choose to compete - we are used to the competition that has persisted in the game thus far and enjoy it.

But now its optional, and as time goes on more and more people will realize they are spending effort playing a harder game for no reason, no advantage, and often less loot then those who choose to not compete.

This is a broken system, and like a car with a missing wheel it will keep going down the road, but its not going to end well.
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Sickness wrote:
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exit_zero wrote:
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Sickness wrote:
Therefor I support loot options. And they truly are options. The argument that PA has so much advantage has been stomped to death over and over and over, and over.
Now people can AND DO play the game the way they prefer it. So it works.


As it's been said previously in multiple posts in this thread, there are no options anymore and there never will be if this system stays in place, which it very likely will.

If you're not familiar with the concept of critical mass, here:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Critical_mass_%28sociodynamics%29


You are opposing reality. People do play FFA and SA. That is fact. So you are wrong.

An easy way to explain why that will change soon is because less and less people will want to compete.

Imagine you have 60 people, so ten groups. You play SA or FFA, doesnt really matter. There will most likely be some players who get more loot than others simply because they are faster, got a better build to loot safely or simply are better players.

Now 2 people of every group will stop play SA because they dont get items, so you suddenly only have 40 people left playing. The problem is that this process will go on as long as someone gets more loot than the others. More and more people will not bother competing for loot anymore if they can just farm items safely without anyone contesting the drops.

So you then drop to 30..20..10 until you have a party consisting of people who either dont care, like the challenge or are all equal in skill and timing. Needless to say that this crowd wont consist of a lot of players.
Last edited by nynyny#3398 on Jun 19, 2013, 10:33:14 AM
If SA is only enjoyable when you get more loot every time then I wouldn't mind the slightest if it disappeared completely.
Your speculations do not convince anyone however. You are just moving the goal posts along as we go. First it was "the devs will never consider loot options" then it turned to "with loot options people will only play non-FFA" and now it is "a certain period of time after the intorduction of loot options peole will only play with allocated loot".
Speculations? Its a proven social study.

[mod edit: removed insult]
Last edited by Henry_GGG on Jun 21, 2013, 10:11:41 AM
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nynyny wrote:
Speculations? Its a proven social study.


Proven? Are you kidding me? You don't even know what proof is, so you should ask yourself who is really ignorant.

[mod edit: removed insult from quoted text]
Last edited by Henry_GGG on Jun 21, 2013, 10:12:00 AM
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Vooodu wrote:

I really, really, really don't care man. It was just joking with my comment. BTW, are you striker?


He wishes he was me ;) Please don't misspell my name.

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Vooodu wrote:

And honestly this garbage about insulting people every single chance you guys have over loot needs to stop. What is wrong with you people..lol? I mean its only like 4 of you that do this constantly.

Every single opinion you guys don't like is met with some sort of 'You're just stupid and pathetic" comment is so bitchy its beyond belief. Some are worse then others.



I have no desire to argue with you specifically ever again over looting, but I can't resist responding to this. Do you really not feel the least bit hypocritical posting that?? I am being 100% serious when I say that you have been the most insulting, demeaning, degrading, poster that I can remember communicating with on these forums.

Also, please don't lump me in with anyone. I might be on the same side of the issue with other posters but that doesn't mean I am like them or always condone the things that they say. I only wish to discuss/debate and have no interest in mudslinging all day.
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Last edited by iamstryker#5952 on Jun 19, 2013, 11:42:48 AM
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Vooodu wrote:
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thepmrc wrote:


I'll or I will not Il

you're or you are not your

exactly not exaclty


Just saying, if we are talking analphabets you might want to try a bit harder sir.


I really, really, really don't care man. It was just joking with my comment. BTW, are you striker?

And honestly this garbage about insulting people every single chance you guys have over loot needs to stop. What is wrong with you people..lol? I mean its only like 4 of you that do this constantly.

Every single opinion you guys don't like is met with some sort of 'You're just stupid and pathetic" comment is so bitchy its beyond belief. Some are worse then others.

I would love to see this topic talked about in a real life meeting. Say what you want, but you kids would be giving me foot rubs and making me lunch with a smile.




Voodu, Internet Tough Guy... who knew?
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nynyny wrote:
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Sickness wrote:
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exit_zero wrote:


As it's been said previously in multiple posts in this thread, there are no options anymore and there never will be if this system stays in place, which it very likely will.

If you're not familiar with the concept of critical mass, here:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Critical_mass_%28sociodynamics%29


You are opposing reality. People do play FFA and SA. That is fact. So you are wrong.

An easy way to explain why that will change soon is because less and less people will want to compete.

Imagine you have 60 people, so ten groups. You play SA or FFA, doesnt really matter. There will most likely be some players who get more loot than others simply because they are faster, got a better build to loot safely or simply are better players.

Now 2 people of every group will stop play SA because they dont get items, so you suddenly only have 40 people left playing. The problem is that this process will go on as long as someone gets more loot than the others. More and more people will not bother competing for loot anymore if they can just farm items safely without anyone contesting the drops.

So you then drop to 30..20..10 until you have a party consisting of people who either dont care, like the challenge or are all equal in skill and timing. Needless to say that this crowd wont consist of a lot of players.


So again it simply comes down to the fact that you want to play with people that have slower connections, slower reaction times, or in general don't care for the loot competition. If you have to compete against players that are fast and competent you want no part of it. This is EXACTLY why people support PA as an option. People who want the competition can enjoy HEALTHY competition rather than just preying on noobies, squishies, and people with poor latency. Meanwhile, people that want to relax and have a good time smashing monsters with friends can do so without being forced into 'loot competition'.

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