Looting -- The official thread for discussing the loot system. Updated 18th March, 2013.

Are you people physically incapable of having a reaction time faster than 1s or something? I fail to see how making people focus on the game is a bad thing. How about we removed all difficulty from enemies, so even if you miss an item, hey! no problem! Just go kill something else easy for more loot!

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Omnivore61 wrote:

@Xaxyx: I was leaning very heavily towards considering your analysis to be biased by a bit of paranoia compounded with misunderstanding. However the 'options are bad' idea just confounds me to no end. I'm still not ready to make the leap to concluding you are correct, but I can't say you're wrong either.

Of course options are bad. Any feature that gives victims any options might let them escape or have fun. And we certainly can't allow THAT sort of thing. Next there'd be dancing!

I'm stricken by the eerie parallel this scenario has with the D2 portal delay. Does anyone remember the D2 portal delay? Back in "the day", after declaring hostility against a player in D2, you could then immediately pop through their town portal and slaughter them. Thus, it was a jolly ol' pasttime of D2 bullies to ask for a TP, declare hostility as soon as it appeared, pop through and attack. This method was especially popular in hardcore, since after you kill somebody in D2 hardcore you'd get all of their stuff.

So Blizzard begrudgingly -- ever so begrudgingly -- implemented a timer: after declaring hostility (which could only be done in town), you couldn't use a town portal for five seconds. The reactions were pretty much as you'd expect: reasoned, mature, rational individuals thanking Blizzard for their reasoned, mature, rational response to an issue; and drooling, slobbering, enraged bullies shrieking and sputtering and cursing at the unfairness of it all. How dare Blizzard cater to newbies and carebears (or whatever the term at the time was; who remembers?)! They had the RIGHT to attack weaker players with their incredibly clever mechanic abuse! It's part of the game design! It's ingrained into the nature of D2! They've ruined the game!

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ifarmpandas wrote:

Are you people physically incapable of having a reaction time faster than 1s or something? I fail to see how making people focus on the game is a bad thing. How about we removed all difficulty from enemies, so even if you miss an item, hey! no problem! Just go kill something else easy for more loot!

No, its just easier, safer (I play in HC), and far more relaxing to level and farm solo or with a group of friends I know from outside the game. I really don't feel the need to get into hassles with jerks who have no conception of fairness, generosity, or sharing.

Funny. Ever single person I'm currently friends with in game, and will be racing with in OB, is not someone I know IRL. Not a single one.

I met them by partying and/or trading.

Pubs I play when I'm bored and need some excitement, some randomness (in builds playing with in a party), or, none of my friends in game are online.

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Instead, it rather explicitly denotes that the economy is barter-based. Not thievery-based, not jackassery-based, but barter-based.

gotta admit , laughed hard for real when i read this.


I suppose one might view this as, you barter with your right to the loot, while you finish off the boss, and your team mate runs to stand beside the drop ...

There's a lot of toxicity in this thread. Name-calling, slights, dismissiveness and the like. It adds a layer of challenge to interacting with other people here, and you almost need to pick who you interact with. It's almost like the forums are becoming more cut-throat too. By design?

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moikpei wrote:

There's a lot of toxicity in this thread. Name-calling, slights, dismissiveness and the like. It adds a layer of challenge to interacting with other people here, and you almost need to pick who you interact with. It's almost like the forums are becoming more cut-throat too. By design?

Of course! The devs love them some inter-player strife, they does. Why do you think they haven't commented on this thread in so long? It's fulfilling its purpose perfectly. Working as intended, one might assert.

You mean people on the internet don't always agree?

Hmm.

Should I spread the word? Or is the word still "the bird"?

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SL4Y3R wrote:

Funny. Ever single person I'm currently friends with in game, and will be racing with in OB, is not someone I know IRL. Not a single one.

I met them by partying and/or trading.

Pubs I play when I'm bored and need some excitement, some randomness (in builds playing with in a party), or, none of my friends in game are online.

I don't see why it should be funny, or even odd. People are different. Some people are outgoing, some aren't. Some people enjoy more extreme levels of competition than others. People are different. I'm admittedly just a cranky old man who's largely set in his ways.

Now if it were possible for the team leader in a team to set the timer to a longer timeout, so that you could reasonably expect to finish killing the adds before looting your part of the drops, then I'd be much more likely to try a public group once in awhile. The way it is, I won't bother, simple as that.

There are a few people I've met, either in game or through the forums here, that I'd join a group with, but I'd likely just be slowing them down to be honest.

I meant funny in an interesting way. Meaning, since none of the people I play with I know in any way shape or form. In fact, our team spans damn near across the globe. Which I found as we were discussing what time OB is for us.

I've said this before, but as there are some newer posters ill say it again. I truly do understand your reasoning for wanting looting options. I do.

Its just that from what I can tell, it mainly boils down to preferred playsytle. Be it non-cut throat, MY loot, or I prefer to kill everything in an instance and go back to collect what has dropped.

I just personally don't think playsytle is a good reason to change the meta game.

And to whomever stated, "why aren't you asking for a FFA option" or whatever. I would love that.