Path of Exile 1 Gameplay Help and Discussion - Looting -- The official thread for discussing the loot system. Updated 18th March, 2013. - Forum

" Strill wrote: The essential strategy is that when one of those bosses appears you should try to kill as many party members as you can, then block off the path to the loot for the rest of them. I think you're overestimating the bonus loot quality from "bosses", and underestimating the frequency they show up. Good items - or potentially-good items - can drop from any enemy, so unless you want to spam frost walls at everything on the screen (and that'll block you from the loot too unless you're already closer to it than they are), the plan of "ditch the party at the bosses" doesn't provide much of a payoff. Edit: Also - " Strill wrote: Why does it matter whether it's for your build or not? It's free-for-all loot, so if it's valuable, you should get it. Didn't you read the OP? We're supposed to be cutthroats. For starters, finite inventory space. Picking up "everything (potentially) valuable" will run you out of room very quickly, which in turn runs you the risk of missing out on the items you actually want. Second, Deckard Cain was never banished here. Picking up items is fairly easy, but the time you spend identifying them adds up, which feeds back into the previous point. I have wandered through insanity; I have walked the spiral out. Heard its twisted dreamed inanity In a whisper, in a shout. In the babbling cacophony The refrains are all the same: "[permutations of humanity] are unworthy of the name!" Last edited by Skivverus#5720 on Dec 8, 2011, 2:04:18 AM	Posted by Skivverus#5720 on Dec 8, 2011, 1:56:58 AM Alpha Member Quote this Post
a poll would be more easy (GGG should make polls in game too, so more people that is actually playing will vote)	Posted by Jow88#0872 on Dec 8, 2011, 5:28:59 AM Quote this Post
" Skivverus wrote: " Strill wrote: The essential strategy is that when one of those bosses appears you should try to kill as many party members as you can, then block off the path to the loot for the rest of them. I think you're overestimating the bonus loot quality from "bosses", and underestimating the frequency they show up. Good items - or potentially-good items - can drop from any enemy, so unless you want to spam frost walls at everything on the screen (and that'll block you from the loot too unless you're already closer to it than they are), the plan of "ditch the party at the bosses" doesn't provide much of a payoff. Edit: Also - " Strill wrote: Why does it matter whether it's for your build or not? It's free-for-all loot, so if it's valuable, you should get it. Didn't you read the OP? We're supposed to be cutthroats. For starters, finite inventory space. Picking up "everything (potentially) valuable" will run you out of room very quickly, which in turn runs you the risk of missing out on the items you actually want. Second, Deckard Cain was never banished here. Picking up items is fairly easy, but the time you spend identifying them adds up, which feeds back into the previous point. Judging by the Brutus fight, that doesn't seem to be the case at all. It looks to me like a guaranteed boss that drops lots of loot. In fact, it looks like running away from the boss before it's dead to get to the treasure first is a great idea.	Posted by Strill#1101 on Dec 8, 2011, 9:36:21 AM Quote this Post
Oh, those bosses. My point about them not being worth holding out for still stands - partly because they take so little time to run at the moment - and besides, they're still doing work on them. I have wandered through insanity; I have walked the spiral out. Heard its twisted dreamed inanity In a whisper, in a shout. In the babbling cacophony The refrains are all the same: "[permutations of humanity] are unworthy of the name!"	Posted by Skivverus#5720 on Dec 8, 2011, 3:31:14 PM Alpha Member Quote this Post
" Strill wrote: Oh wow this game has MAGIC FIND?! Oh boy Magic Find can go screw itself. Finding an item with fantastic overall stats but no magic find and realizing that the item is useless is about the biggest disappointment you could probably bake into a game. It takes the excitement out of finding cool items because they don't have magic find and are thus worthless, and doesn't put any excitement back because its effect is irrelevant to the gameplay. (You found a good item with magic find? Whoop de doo now you can farm more.) Magic Find is nothing but frustration unless its carefully balanced in such a way that it can't be sacrificed in exchange for combat ability. Magic find gives players the choice of either having fun now with their good items that have no magic find, or having less enjoyable gameplay in exchange for greatly increased loot efficiency. Why would you make players choose between having unpleasant gameplay and getting good drops!? ugh... this game is an even worse disappointment than magic find. So many good decisions annihilated by a few horrendous decisions. You should probably read through my explanations on MF in this thread: http://www.pathofexile.com/forum/view-thread/14081/page/1 MF in PoE is completely optional... nothing like how it was in d2. IGN: Jerk, Princess http://orbswap.info - the easy way to trade currency	Posted by taekvideo#0697 on Dec 11, 2011, 3:25:05 PM Alpha Member Quote this Post
I honestly can't understand how FFA loot is desirable over individual loot in any way whatsoever. Pretty much for the exact reasons brought up by Strill. If that 'cut-throat' feeling is so important to some people then just make it part of a seperate 'cut-throat' ladder or something. Maybe up the difficulty in it to prevent everyone in the ladder soloing and make PVP always-on, just to make it more cut-throat/hilarious. Sorry if the idea's already been brought up, I've only read the last few pages of the thread.	Posted by jams#1058 on Dec 11, 2011, 3:48:07 PM Quote this Post
" taekvideo wrote: You should probably read through my explanations on MF in this thread: http://www.pathofexile.com/forum/view-thread/14081/page/1 MF in PoE is completely optional... nothing like how it was in d2. That thread appears to be in the beta members only area.	Posted by Strill#1101 on Dec 11, 2011, 7:44:49 PM Quote this Post
" Strill wrote: " taekvideo wrote: You should probably read through my explanations on MF in this thread: http://www.pathofexile.com/forum/view-thread/14081/page/1 MF in PoE is completely optional... nothing like how it was in d2. That thread appears to be in the beta members only area. Which actually says a lot about your feedback in this thread... You make a lot of assumptions about the loot system without any experience in how it actually works. You're throwing a tantrum over something you haven't tried yet. "This sucks! It's the worst idea ever!" Well... You wouldn't know, would you? I encourage you to build your characters towards gimping your party; try out the effectiveness of that strategy. See how long they let you stay in the party when you're overwriting their curses and not contributing any damage. See how long they let you stay when you get them killed and then run around grabbing loot. Considering the frequency of loot, you'd have to get them killed a lot to raise your chances at getting anything good. It would most definitely not be worth the time invested. Yes, if you think an item is valuable, it may be worth risking death to get. No risk, no gain. Closed Beta/Alpha Tester back after a 10-year hiatus. First in the credits!	Posted by WhiteBoy#6717 on Dec 12, 2011, 11:14:59 AM Alpha Member Quote this Post
Well, allocating certainly sounds like a good idea, but I kind of feel like 2 seconds are still a bit too low. Increasing it a bit sounds more reasonable :)	Posted by Illedran#0738 on Dec 12, 2011, 11:35:47 AM Quote this Post
" WhiteBoy88 wrote: " Strill wrote: " taekvideo wrote: You should probably read through my explanations on MF in this thread: http://www.pathofexile.com/forum/view-thread/14081/page/1 MF in PoE is completely optional... nothing like how it was in d2. That thread appears to be in the beta members only area. Which actually says a lot about your feedback in this thread... You make a lot of assumptions about the loot system without any experience in how it actually works. You're throwing a tantrum over something you haven't tried yet. "This sucks! It's the worst idea ever!" Well... You wouldn't know, would you? I encourage you to build your characters towards gimping your party; try out the effectiveness of that strategy. See how long they let you stay in the party when you're overwriting their curses and not contributing any damage. See how long they let you stay when you get them killed and then run around grabbing loot. Considering the frequency of loot, you'd have to get them killed a lot to raise your chances at getting anything good. It would most definitely not be worth the time invested. Yes, if you think an item is valuable, it may be worth risking death to get. No risk, no gain. What the heck are you going on about? "No risk, no gain"?! That's patent nonsense when you could solo and not have to deal with any of this. And of course I don't expect them to tolerate me getting them killed. The point is to do it long enough to get the loot then leave unless they're exceptionally gullible. Regardless, the devs are taking a schizophrenic stance on this issue. On one hand they openly encourage anti-social behavior with their looting system, and on the other hand they tell you to be polite to your group members on the loading screen messages. It's like they don't have a clue what they want. Last edited by Strill#1101 on Dec 12, 2011, 2:04:29 PM	Posted by Strill#1101 on Dec 12, 2011, 1:57:22 PM Quote this Post