6000 hours of Melee Scientific Expert Tells You the Truth- Melee changes ACTUALLY 100% suck

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sidtherat wrote:

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AdRonZh3Ro wrote:

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sidtherat wrote:

i havent seen your pob. used one from ninja. that one had 5 aps BEFORE you factor repeats (rage stacker, ancestral protector, 12 frenzies and very, very fast axe)

Then that wasn't 5 aps. Attack rate counts all repeats within it. To get 5 attacks to count towards the mana count it would need to be this(with Awakened Multistrike):

Regardless, if the upfront cost is 55, you would need almost 19aps to get 255 mana cost per second.

If you have this much aps, mana cost should justifiably be a problem that 10 nodes as some are suggesting be a more than fair balancing point.

i know how to read pob. that build listed aps as ~13aps in POB, that translated roughly to ~5aps (for that particular build) ignoring repeats

it is academic discussion anyway. unless you plan to stick Multitrike into all builds (because yes, it helps with sustain - but less than you think, mostly due to instant mana leech / gain mana on hit) your typical 6link costs 50 mana per click instead of 20.

if you have natural 3 aps - 150 mana/sec JUST for the main link. add 'background' stuff like mark on hit, automation etc and you reach peaks of 200+

your mana leech cap with 700 mana is.. 140. assuming you hit all the time, you are saturated, mobs dont block etc.

many, many chars will die in HC due to sudden OOM, many new players will drop melee when their 3 link setup in act 2 uses like 40 mana/second (lacerate of whatever starts at 8(!) mana, two links bring that up to 14 per swing. i hope all melee league starters enjoy their mana flasks

there is a reason people drop 1-2 reservations and go to Blood Magic keystone - and this is a desperation move

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mnieradko wrote:

Looking forward to the overall community shock after a few weeks of league with the realization that melee is worse and more clunky than ever. Apparently 3.2.4 melee didn't have enough issues to juggle and now everyone has to also attack at the speed of a snail. The average player is blinded and baited by the melee gem damage buff and the removal of totems.

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Lonnie455Rich wrote:

looks like pob is updated for gems and rage. time to cook without annoying configs

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AdRonZh3Ro wrote:

I don't know man, seems like skill issue or bad build if you're dying due lack of mana. And that's telling, because for far too long melee has been used to operate at 99% mana reservation. Now people are turning into blood magic because they can't fathom nor compute, the end of the world, being forced to drop a 10% reservation and actually think when playing instead of hopping around with attack skill held down.

Also, anyone that isn't using Multistrike for melee builds isn't operating at 100% IQ. There's literally 0 reason to not use over anything else, unless you're one hit slamming, which then you're just signing up for self flagellation.

Also also, let's drop the hypocrisy, if you're getting 17aps "easily", you're not the average player and if you don't want to "waste points" to fix that, you deserve dying to oom.

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Lonnie455Rich wrote:

If you closely read my comment, you will see where I learned. You're just making every post you make very condescending.

Also typical trauma builds don't use multistrike.

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AdRonZh3Ro wrote:

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Lonnie455Rich wrote:

If you closely read my comment, you will see where I learned. You're just making every post you make very condescending.

Also typical trauma builds don't use multistrike.

Because it's the one gem that doesn't benefit them, otherwise they would use it too.

Well, let's be truthful here, you were also very condescending until i proved it. sid still is, saying things wrong and then padding his argument further. "I used 5 aps, but it was actually taken from 13 aps build". Please...

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Lonnie455Rich wrote:

Idk what you proved. you said it took like 7 points on the tree to get 60 rage

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AdRonZh3Ro wrote:

Rage is now more % and with Battle Trance, Veteran's Wrath, plus the rage on hit there you're getting 10 rage each second with 46 max rage at the incredibly staggering and unmanageable cost of 7 points. "Just" 46% more damage, 53% if you get the mastery. 50% inc attack damage and 25% inc attack speed is not even close to 46% more, but i guess math is hard.