BUILD OUT OF COMMISSION....NO LONGER VIABLE DUE TO IDIOTIC CHANGE TO IRON REFLEXES

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Misogi wrote:

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AthenaUS wrote:

Lastly, hatred (especially with a lions eye) is completely USELESS with this build as you will already have insane attack speeds without it. So when you already 1 shot packs of mobs what would the additional attack speed from hatred do?? Absolutely nothing. All it would do is inflate your "sheet DPS" which would be inaccurate because your only getting 1-2 hits on mobs anyways.

Attack speed from hatred? It's Haste, Hatred - aura that adds cold damage to the attacks of you and your allies.

Sorry misread I thought you said haste :P my bad...in any event, the rest still applies

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Ajaxcandy wrote:

Athena thank you for your awesome guide, i am currently leveling a Deulist using your template, i do have a question about Unwavering Stance though. Would this be worth combining with Iron Reflexes (since we are already giving up evasion for armor) or is the cost of 4 additional points simply too much?

nah i think its a waste of a point to be honest ;P

IMO the Marauder start area really isn't needed with reasonable gear

This is what I've gone for after switching from Ranger that took all the Marauder starting nodes - I have around 500 hp less than that build and about 50 life/second less regen but around 500 dps more, the lack of hp really doesn't matter because almost everything dies in a couple of hits

http://www.pathofexile.com/passive-skill-tree/AAAAAgQBmy0XHbe2jX7NmN7G6mL6sb6nGbTK0yzp3Q38xWegh3ZKfVb63Ub8TmOnW68Y20OcDq0ppXTxnrkhYECg704otTIJYIhhUp_LVgSGYDpS378VICpNPyduPQOWOyhuqjJ-rpOmVzrhiPF6uLc-xq7-CvJF52M8LcT2J-2sqnKpfNlZ88AakFWnhBo47DhX4jKJd-UEsxRNogACcSlPgptmnvrSNunjah0Uj0anCLiTDH0Qf8ae0NDPZVXGm6Fnve5vBS1gS3rvdO3wHw==

Any further points past 82 can be spent on either life or getting the 30% weapon elemental damage in the centre according to preference.

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RandallPOE wrote:

IMO the Marauder start area really isn't needed with reasonable gear

This is what I've gone for after switching from Ranger that took all the Marauder starting nodes - I have around 500 hp less than that build and about 50 life/second less regen but around 500 dps more, the lack of hp really doesn't matter because almost everything dies in a couple of hits

http://www.pathofexile.com/passive-skill-tree/AAAAAgQBmy0XHbe2jX7NmN7G6mL6sb6nGbTK0yzp3Q38xWegh3ZKfVb63Ub8TmOnW68Y20OcDq0ppXTxnrkhYECg704otTIJYIhhUp_LVgSGYDpS378VICpNPyduPQOWOyhuqjJ-rpOmVzrhiPF6uLc-xq7-CvJF52M8LcT2J-2sqnKpfNlZ88AakFWnhBo47DhX4jKJd-UEsxRNogACcSlPgptmnvrSNunjah0Uj0anCLiTDH0Qf8ae0NDPZVXGm6Fnve5vBS1gS3rvdO3wHw==

Any further points past 82 can be spent on either life or getting the 30% weapon elemental damage in the centre according to preference.

I don't particularly like your variation. You wasted a fair bit of points on attackspeed, which is kinda pointless with my build, as well your missing the crit reduction in damage taken from marauder which is great for Hardcore...

Also you have no access to lava lash which grants additional 30% fire damage with your build.

Athena, please pardon my newbieness. I'm leveling with this build, and I'm trying to figure out which bows to get. This build has us taking Weapon Elemental Damage, does this mean we are aiming for bows with elemental damage? I ask, because you talk about getting lions eye; which is a high physical damage bow. I'm wondering how these nodes apply with lions eye.

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MiniNova wrote:

Athena, please pardon my newbieness. I'm leveling with this build, and I'm trying to figure out which bows to get. This build has us taking Weapon Elemental Damage, does this mean we are aiming for bows with elemental damage? I ask, because you talk about getting lions eye; which is a high physical damage bow. I'm wondering how these nodes apply with lions eye.

If you dont have a Lionseye, you definitely should aim for either a HIGH physical bow or a triple elem bow. Either works good.

High physical bows are good because 50% of physical damage is converted to lightning. So if you get a really solid physical bow, you can compliment it with some jewelery that has some elements on them such as +cold, fire or lightning. Those stats will further multiply your DPS as they scale with the weapon elemental nodes alongside your 2 auras.

Generally tho if you can find a triple ele bow with perfect rolls on all 3, you will do very close to the damage that a lionseye will do..

keep in mind unless you can find a seriously amazing physical bow, I would suggest you stick to a ele bow.

For eample this is my mediocre one


Its missing an element but I am still pulling 1200 LA dps with chain which is pretty freaking good :)

TLDR: stick with an ele bow

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AthenaUS wrote:

I don't particularly like your variation. You wasted a fair bit of points on attackspeed, which is kinda pointless with my build, as well your missing the crit reduction in damage taken from marauder which is great for Hardcore...

Also you have no access to lava lash which grants additional 30% fire damage with your build.

Yeah was thinking about this overnight, those 3 points in the middle on attack speed are overkill - will take the 3 points from there and 2 used to get 10% elemental damage in the templar area and get the 30% weapon elemental damage in the middle instead when I level some more.

I don't use Chain in my preferred setup since I find it unnecessary, but just as a comparison with a 5L & Chain build is doing 1.8k at level 71, albeit with a triple ele bow. I think the killing speed makes up for the lack of defences.

Can someone show me those 12% life nodes, I'm new to this whole passive skill "forest".

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Millennium wrote:

Can someone show me those 12% life nodes, I'm new to this whole passive skill "forest".

Its written in big bold letters on my thread :P please look at the final build titled "FINAL POINTS" which will be the last link at the bottom of my thread. You will see the 2 12% life nodes selected :) off the main path near blood magic

why do you chose help kraityn over oak in cruel?
12% of phis damage isnt better for LA than 6% atk speed?