BUILD OUT OF COMMISSION....NO LONGER VIABLE DUE TO IDIOTIC CHANGE TO IRON REFLEXES

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Abracastabra wrote:

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Ceron wrote:

http://www.pathofexile.com/passive-skill-tree/AAAAAgQBmy0XHbe2jX7NmN7G6mL6sRm0ytMs6d0NW68Y23TxIWBAoAUtYEt673TthO9hIRpVZKM26FiveA2pbrXyrpN6uCftGS7Uj7nd8B8EsxRNAnGiADKJd-VX4uw4GjinhJBVwBqPRtDQm6FnvfIvbqpN46xZ_o_ub89lVcYWb6cIuJMMfRB_xp78xVb63UZjp_xOQ5wOrSmlnrnvTjIJOlLfvylPgpvVdcy38s7vDjJ-NukkqhmF42rz3TqzNYadqrnNZ6CHdkp9QYeCxyj66-5Z86yq51JUSV8_9kiMz1BQWGPG2L6nHRT60mae

Frees up 3 points (two from fire resistance in Maurader, one from STR somewhere) while maintaining INT and DEX and (I think) all clusters and keystones you have in your final build. Obvious disadvantage is it takes a long time to get to Marauder, or you need several Regrets.

Actually, you could get a tad more life by replacing 3 of those 8% nodes up in templar with the 8, 8, 12 line in the middle.
http://www.pathofexile.com/passive-skill-tree/AAAAAgQBmy0XHbe2jX7NmN7G6mL6sRm0ytMs6d0NW68Y23TxIWBAoAUtYEt673TthO9hIRpVZKM26FiveA2pbrXyrpN6uCftGS7Uj7nd8B8EsxRNAnGiADKJd-VX4uw4GjinhJBVwBqPRtDQm6FnvfIvbqpN46xZ_o_ub89lVcanCLiTDH0Qf8ae_MVW-t1GY6f8TkOcDq0ppZ65704yCTpS378pT4Kb1XXMt_LO7w4yfjbp42rz3TqzNYadqrnNZ6CHdkp9QYeCxyj66-5Z86yq51JUSV8_9kiMz1BQWGPG2L6nHRT60maeplc64Yjx

Though if you want marauder stuff earlier, there is always:
http://www.pathofexile.com/passive-skill-tree/AAAAAgQBmy0XHbe2jX7NmN7G6mL6sRm0ytMs6d0NW68Y23TxIWBAoAUtYEt673TthO9hIRpVZKM26FiveA2pbrXyrpN6uCftGS7Uj7nd8B8EsxRNAnGiADKJd-VX4uw4GjinhJBVwBqPRtDQm6FnvfIvbqpN46xZ_o_ub89lVcanCLiTDH0Qf8ae_MVW-t1GY6f8TkOcDq0ppZ65704yCTpS378pT4Kb1XXMt_LO7w4yfjbp42rz3TqzNYadqrnNZ6CHdkp9WfOsqudSVElfP_ZIjM9QUFhjxti-px0U-tJmnqZXOuG3PsauPC3E9ojx

which would also let you grab RT earlier if you don't have lioneye's

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Godmatik wrote:

Why passive instead of frenzy charge for merciless bandit

I'm a big fan of frenzy over elemental hit and I'm thinking of taking this as well as the two +1 frenzy nodes near the ranger/duelist tree to make it a max of 6 charges. It's amazing single target dps and it really helps to up the speed of LA. I don't know why people pick elemental hit over it, as I've never found it to be either more dps or more practical than frenzy.

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grimfailz wrote:

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Godmatik wrote:

Why passive instead of frenzy charge for merciless bandit

I'm a big fan of frenzy over elemental hit and I'm thinking of taking this as well as the two +1 frenzy nodes near the ranger/duelist tree to make it a max of 6 charges. It's amazing single target dps and it really helps to up the speed of LA. I don't know why people pick elemental hit over it, as I've never found it to be either more dps or more practical than frenzy.

i dont like elemental hit and will never use it :P

When I first started (I'm now level 66 following this guide) I used Burning Arrow. I got so used to it that I tweaked it out a bit and am still using that ability for single target damage instead of Frenzy. I have Faster Attacks, Weapon Elemental Damage and Added Fire Damage linked to Burning Arrow. I also put a point in Lava Lash and WOW it does incredible single target damage. I tried using Frenzy and linking different things to it, but it never exceeded the damage that Burning Arrow does, even at max frenzy charges Burning Arrow still did more damage.

Anyone else doing this or have an opinion of it?

To the OP:

Why is everybody picking up Troll's Blood and life passives on Marauders tree? 1.5% regen is worth of spending 1 point?

Here is a quick look at First 90 Points build:

With Marauders tree you will have 37% HP and 1.9% regen.
Spending these 3 point on the life passives that goes on the way to Static Blows and 2 points near Lava Lash gives you 52% HP and 1.5% regen from Trolls blood: http://goo.gl/QrlXk
I think this would be nice for 90 points build.

Also, i'm thinking on that build WITH mana, because Hatred can give you up to 25% Damage, and with the Lioneye's Glare it's tonn of DPS.

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Misogi wrote:

To the OP:

Why is everybody picking up Troll's Blood and life passives on Marauders tree? 1.5% regen is worth of spending 1 point?

Here is a quick look at First 90 Points build:

With Marauders tree you will have 37% HP and 1.9% regen.
Spending these 5 point on the life passives that goes through the way to Static Blows gives you 40% HP and 1.5% regen from Trolls blood: http://goo.gl/YOscv

Also, i'm thinking on that build WITH mana, because Hatred can give you up to 25% Damage, and with the Lioneye's Glare it's tonn of DPS.

meaning you would be using the blood magic support gem? im pretty sure that it would cost you a lot of hp as well as using another potion slot for mana potion(for other skills like curse and single target dps) instead of granite potion. This would also mean that you would remove one good support gem for the skill which would lessen your damage output. i think the hp regen is worth it since it scales up with your character's hp(correct me if im wrong) which would greatly help lessening the damage receive from using BM.

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xanster29 wrote:

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Misogi wrote:

To the OP:

Why is everybody picking up Troll's Blood and life passives on Marauders tree? 1.5% regen is worth of spending 1 point?

Here is a quick look at First 90 Points build:

With Marauders tree you will have 37% HP and 1.9% regen.
Spending these 5 point on the life passives that goes through the way to Static Blows gives you 40% HP and 1.5% regen from Trolls blood: http://goo.gl/YOscv

Also, i'm thinking on that build WITH mana, because Hatred can give you up to 25% Damage, and with the Lioneye's Glare it's tonn of DPS.

meaning you would be using the blood magic support gem? im pretty sure that it would cost you a lot of hp as well as using another potion slot for mana potion(for other skills like curse and single target dps) instead of granite potion. This would also mean that you would remove one good support gem for the skill which would lessen your damage output. i think the hp regen is worth it since it scales up with your character's hp(correct me if im wrong) which would greatly help lessening the damage receive from using BM.

I think Life regen is scales with Life, not the HP, let's count:
You have 4000 Life and 3% life regen per second - 4000 * 0,03 = 120 Life per second.
Using the Blood Magic, your Attack Speed is not 1.0 so you still losing Life.
And final - we have Life Gain on hit with LPM + Chain = insane amount of Life regen.
So my opinion is - Troll's Blood useless junk.

And about mana:
LPM + LA\Split Arrow + Mana Leech + Chain + Ele Dmg\LoH (if we have 5L) shoud do the trick. Or just get the ring\amy with Mana leech (we still dealing Phys DMG so it won't be a problem). Besides, if you have Split Arrow you can throw away LMP.

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Misogi wrote:

To the OP:

Why is everybody picking up Troll's Blood and life passives on Marauders tree? 1.5% regen is worth of spending 1 point?

Here is a quick look at First 90 Points build:

With Marauders tree you will have 37% HP and 1.9% regen.
Spending these 3 point on the life passives that goes on the way to Static Blows and 2 points near Lava Lash gives you 52% HP and 1.5% regen from Trolls blood: http://goo.gl/QrlXk
I think this would be nice for 90 points build.

Also, i'm thinking on that build WITH mana, because Hatred can give you up to 25% Damage, and with the Lioneye's Glare it's tonn of DPS.

Again i will answer this a 10th time, to any future posters please read the full thread as majority of all possible questions has been answered.

If you intend to run with mana, and use hatred, you will REQUIRE 2 6 links. Well at the very least 1 6 link and 1 5 link. The reason for 6 link is because you will have to run blood magic support gem on your Lightning arrow. You will also need to use blood magic on frenzy. This build is designed to give people the highest success possible with the most budget/bargain bin gear. If YOU can afford a 5 and 6 link (both will be very expensive) then go for it.

But that opens another problem. Most archers in the top ladders are preferring to run with Koams heart. The HP bonus is just to good to pass up. So this will be problematic for you as Koams has 0 sockets. So if you plan to run with mana you won't be able to go with Koams heart.

Lastly, haste (especially with a lions eye) is completely USELESS with this build as you will already have insane attack speeds without it. So when you already 1 shot packs of mobs what would the additional attack speed from hatred do?? Absolutely nothing. All it would do is inflate your "sheet DPS" which would be inaccurate because your only getting 1-2 hits on mobs anyways.

So keep these things in mind. You would be better off running another damage support gem in that slot vs a blood magic gem as you want your initial hit on enemies to hit the hardest it can.

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AthenaUS wrote:

Lastly, hatred (especially with a lions eye) is completely USELESS with this build as you will already have insane attack speeds without it. So when you already 1 shot packs of mobs what would the additional attack speed from hatred do?? Absolutely nothing. All it would do is inflate your "sheet DPS" which would be inaccurate because your only getting 1-2 hits on mobs anyways.

Attack speed from hatred? It's Haste, Hatred - aura that adds cold damage to the attacks of you and your allies.

Athena thank you for your awesome guide, i am currently leveling a Deulist using your template, i do have a question about Unwavering Stance though. Would this be worth combining with Iron Reflexes (since we are already giving up evasion for armor) or is the cost of 4 additional points simply too much?