Donald Trump and US politics

Very fake news in action:

GGG banning all political discussion shortly after getting acquired by China is a weird coincidence.
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deathflower wrote:
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soneka101 wrote:

What do you mean? "Work"? Who is trying to make anything "work" here? I'm mocking Trump bro, I don't have a secret plan.


I like the irony that people revere and love elections but despise the people they elect. People like the idea of democracy but loathe the reality. To convince themselves the unshakeable belief that they are free. Elections alone were no guarantee of liberty. And to convince themselves that voting guarantee liberty is a dangerous road that democracies have taken. It is the reality that as soon as a new one is elected, they are again in chains.


I don't think it's as hopeless as you say. It's not a substantial and guaranteed liberty, but it a possibility of liberty, which is better than nothing.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c_Eutci7ack

The power that lies in people's hands can be manipulated and directed by a small group of people, but I take comfort in knowing that this power is volatile and hard to control, if one is not careful it can blow on their faces.

So I'm kind of optimistic when it comes to this. We can't get the results we want most of the time, but it's not impossible to influence the outcome of what happens around us.

Besides loathing the reality seems fine to me too. We can't control what happens but controlling how we feel about it it's better than nothing, we don't have all the liberties but we do have some, and that is again better than nothing.

But the thing you said about voting is really spot on. To think that voting=liberty is dangerous, even more when combined with the idea that "If you don't like, then just wait until you can vote again" it creates a dangerous vicious cycle.

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This Trump and Eric drawing is 100% accurate.
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ScrotieMcB wrote:
Westley
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ChanBalam wrote:
is an intellectual cripple
according to a man who bet on Vizzini. That's just adorable.

Don't get me wrong, I don't believe in the God Emporer myth either; he's a man and fallible like any other. But it's cute how Leftists continually underestimate the intelligence of Republican government officials. At least the Right has the logical consistency to assume the participants in their conspiracy theories have more than a little cunning.

If you're still waiting for Godot, because you still can't believe Trump actually won, at least admit that if he is guilty of what you accuse him of that it would take a sinister genius indeed to have pulled off such an epic crime.


Once a guy on twitter called Trump dumb, another guy popped up saying: "He won the Presidency on his first try without any experience, how is he dumb?"

I didn't respond him but I thought: "Is the President determined by a QI test, by their grades at college, or by the amount of votes one receives?"

To say "He won, therefore he is smart" one has to find a link between his votes and his intellect, or else is just assumption.


Now the assumption might be "He is smart or else he couldn't collude with Russia and become the President without getting caught." One can attribute it to his intellect, anyone is free to have an opinion after all. But based on his other displays of "intelligence" I would rather bet on luck and outsiders help.

BTW this is an actual Trump quote:
Spoiler
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“Look, having nuclear — my uncle was a great professor and scientist and engineer, Dr. John Trump at MIT; good genes, very good genes, OK, very smart, the Wharton School of Finance, very good, very smart — you know, if you’re a conservative Republican, if I were a liberal, if, like, OK, if I ran as a liberal Democrat, they would say I’m one of the smartest people anywhere in the world — it’s true! — but when you’re a conservative Republican they try — oh, do they do a number — that’s why I always start off: Went to Wharton, was a good student, went there, went there, did this, built a fortune — you know I have to give my like credentials all the time, because we’re a little disadvantaged — but you look at the nuclear deal, the thing that really bothers me — it would have been so easy, and it’s not as important as these lives are — nuclear is powerful; my uncle explained that to me many, many years ago, the power and that was 35 years ago; he would explain the power of what’s going to happen and he was right, who would have thought? — but when you look at what’s going on with the four prisoners — now it used to be three, now it’s four — but when it was three and even now, I would have said it’s all in the messenger; fellas, and it is fellas because, you know, they don’t, they haven’t figured that the women are smarter right now than the men, so, you know, it’s gonna take them about another 150 years — but the Persians are great negotiators, the Iranians are great negotiators, so, and they, they just killed, they just killed us.”


He sounds intellectually crippled to me
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鬼殺し wrote:
Actually that just sounds like a LOT of cocaine.


I think coke would still allow you to form coherent sentences, it's just the context that wouldn't be.
Build of the week #9 - Breaking your face with style http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v_EcQDOUN9Y
IGN: Poltun
"They end up taking up a hospital bed, it cost, when, if, you - they just gave, gave 'em treatment early and they got some treatment and, uh, a breathlizer or an inhalator, not a breathilizer... but you know what it would cost ab- it, it would cost about the same as what we would spend... i-, o-over the course of ten years or cost, would've cost us... i-... heh... alright."

Actual Obama quote.
GGG banning all political discussion shortly after getting acquired by China is a weird coincidence.
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Xavderion wrote:
"They end up taking up a hospital bed, it cost, when, if, you - they just gave, gave 'em treatment early and they got some treatment and, uh, a breathlizer or an inhalator, not a breathilizer... but you know what it would cost ab- it, it would cost about the same as what we would spend... i-, o-over the course of ten years or cost, would've cost us... i-... heh... alright."

Actual Obama quote.


I googled this and I couldn't find anything about it. Do you have a link?

Also,I wonder what you are implying with this...

Is that Obama is just as bad as Trump as a speaker? I don't think anyone would believe that claim.

Or are you saying that Trump only sounds like that when he is taken out of context? I don't think anyone would believe that either.

Trump is a bad speaker, that is hard to deny. The leak about his calls with foreign leaders has shown that he is like that even when talking to them.

Here some Australian journalists laughing at his talk with Turnbull.

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When I see things like these part of me thinks: "this is not very likely to really happen", but then I think about Trump, and what goes though my head is: "How can anyone be sure about anything when it comes to this guy?

He is not stable at all, has no restraint, and has a big ego. Besides, I remember that before being elected he asked about nuclear missiles several times on his briefings. Dude is crazy, and I wouldn't bet a finger that he wouldn't launch a "preemptive nuclear strike".


But let's pretend he won't do that, what is the point of making such a threat? It's bad if he does strike, but if he doesn't that would totally crush his image. Obama could take the criticism after the red line thing(also I don't think anyone took it as a threat of nuclear war...), Russia also showed up with a deal, but in this situation it's hard to see how could this look good for him.

But I could totally see him losing his temper for being called something like "All talk, no action Don".
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Xavderion wrote:
"They end up taking up a hospital bed, it cost, when, if, you - they just gave, gave 'em treatment early and they got some treatment and, uh, a breathlizer or an inhalator, not a breathilizer... but you know what it would cost ab- it, it would cost about the same as what we would spend... i-, o-over the course of ten years or cost, would've cost us... i-... heh... alright."

Actual Obama quote.


Please Quote properly...

"Everyone knows that it makes no sense that... you send a kid to the emergency room for a treatable illness like asthma. They end up takin' up a hospital bed. It costs... when... if you -- they just gave, you gave 'em... treatment early, and, they got... some treatment, an' uh... a breathalyzer... er, an inhalator... not a breathalizer -- I haven't had much sleep in the last 48 hours so.

What they'll say is, "Well it costs too much money." But, you know what? It would cost, abo-... it would cost about the same as what we would spend... if... over the course of ten years it would cost what it would cost us... if, it.... Alright, okay, we're going to.... It would cost us about the same as it would cost, for... about -- hold on one second, I can't hear myself... but I'm glad you're fired up though... I'm glad, he-he...."

soooo what is everyones plane for WW3?

im thinking Canada
I dont see any any key!
Re:NK, a pre-election article springs to mind.

Looks like, of all the things, nobody went out of their way to lie about NK. Trump's doing exactly what he said he would; threatening NK and suggesting SK/JAP improve their own military systems.

I don't think anyone has a great plan for NK relations, though. Would love to read any opinion pieces that people know of for actual solutions that aren't just fear-mongering and gallows humor.

EDIT: The one thing I have heard about is state-funded psyops. Something like paying SK to produce propaganda en masse and distribute it across the border. They're already doing that, but we could pay tax dollars to expedite it.
Last edited by pneuma#0134 on Aug 9, 2017, 11:17:24 AM
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soneka101 wrote:
He sounds intellectually crippled to me


Even Dubya was smarter than your typical college graduate (IQ 118). There are three reasons he seemed so stupid to you:
1. To some extent it was deliberate. Speaking poorly was part of a plan to appeal to blue-collar conservatives, something Bush could not genuinely do because he was a blueblood elitist who did not represent their interests.
2. The mainstream media barely covered his non-stupid speeches, as they weren't nearly clickbait enough.
3. You wanted to hate him because you're partisan.

Still, Bush's slightly above average IQ relative to the general population was low relative to Presidents historically.

I personally believe Trump has an IQ in the 130-140 range, aka presidential normal. That would make him slightly less intelligent than me (143), and possibly you, but not to an extent worthy of mockery. There are reports that Trump's IQ is 156, but I do not believe them.

But ultimately, I care more about intent than raw intelligence.

PS the study cited by the image should be taken with a grain of salt. When Kennedy took an actual IQ test he scored 119.
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pneuma wrote:
Re:NK, a pre-election article springs to mind.

Looks like, of all the things, nobody went out of their way to lie about NK. Trump's doing exactly what he said he would; threatening NK and suggesting SK/JAP improve their own military systems.
Campaign promises kept. The Dems can't handle it.
When Stephen Colbert was killed by HYDRA's Project Insight in 2014, the comedy world lost a hero. Since his life model decoy isn't up to the task, please do not mistake my performance as political discussion. I'm just doing what Steve would have wanted.
Last edited by ScrotieMcB#2697 on Aug 9, 2017, 12:24:40 PM

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