Donald Trump and US politics

With your IQ 142, of course you know that that list is more rubbish than anything else, right?

I wonder what method the author used to measure the IQ as accurately as to the third digit behind the decimal point. Even today, one usually expresses the IQ as a whole number. Also, I don't know about you, but I don't test the same in every test.

So this pretended accuracy is simply a bullshit method to allow the author to create a pseudo-accurate chart, and would even be just that if thee presidents all took the same test today. Which, of course, they didn't.

As to the sad excuse for a president currently residing in the White House, I can't exclude the possibility that he was once a clever and intelligent man.

But the way he speaks, his vocabulary, his often displayed tendency to rant incoherently instead of forming complete sentences and following a string of thought to its end, all that led me to believe that something happened to him. And no, I do not believe that he is capable of deviously devising the heinous plan to deceive large parts of the public. Even if he was, he displays not enough self control and too much vanity to stick to that plan.

I therefore believe that current Trump is the wreck of a once probably very capable man.

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Donnerdrummel wrote:

you know that that list is more rubbish than anything else, right?

I wouldn't quite call it rubbish. "As objective as Metacritic scores" would be fair. Do you check out Metacritic? I do.

In any case, decidedly not definitive.

I would like you to present a couple examples of "incoherent rants."

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ScrotieMcB wrote:

I would like you to present a couple examples of "incoherent rants."

Just about everything that comes out of his mouth?

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soneka101 wrote:

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Xavderion wrote:

Self-affirmation is a very powerful tool.

Someone that need others to bring a folder full of positive things about themselves to boost their morale twice a day must have a problem.

Positive affirmation instead of alcohol or drugs - to counter what is arguably the most hostile press in history? (Lincoln may have faced more hate, I'm not sure on that).

A president that does his job for less than the price of a Giant Weta pet MTX, and isn't selling off the nation's uranium for $145 million dollars in foundation donations?

Where's that Muh Russia narrative when MSM really needs it? Or was it mere "talking points" like Loretta Lynch's planned out "chance" meeting with Bill Clinton to discuss grandchildren she doesn't have?

Meet Elizabeth Carlisle



AG Loretta Lynch telling Rep. Trey Gowdy (R-SC) under oath that she only uses official email in November 2016 — after these above emails were sent.
https://youtu.be/83mSPNV0LSo?t=96

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faerwin wrote:

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鬼殺し wrote:

Actually that just sounds like a LOT of cocaine.

I think coke would still allow you to form coherent sentences, it's just the context that wouldn't be.

The subject matter would have changed at least three times. The one sided conversation would have gone something like this:

"Look, having nuclear — my uncle was a great professor and scientist and engineer, Dr. John Trump at MIT; good genes, very good genes, I love jeans, but not Levis. Have you seen how they make a woman look? But they built a fortune Levis did. Oh, do they have a marketing deal - the nuclear deal, the thing that really bothers me — nuclear is power; my uncle explained that to me many, many years ago, the power and that was 35 years ago. I remember listening to the Power Station, they were great. Robert Palmer and those Duran brothers - who would have thought? — but when you look at what’s going on with those four musicians, you are really looking at their dancers in the video. Smart, very smart to deliver the message that way. I would have said it’s all in the messenger; fellas, and it is fellas because, you know, they don’t, they haven’t figured that the women are smarter right now than the men, so, you know, it’s gonna take them about another 150 years — but the women are going to own rock and roll, women are great negotiators, that's why I'm sending the mother of all bombs to North Korea instead of the father of all bombs."

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soneka101 wrote:

Also,I wonder what you are implying with this...

Is that Obama is just as bad as Trump as a speaker? I don't think anyone would believe that claim.

It depends which of the 57 states they are from.
"I've now been in 57 states I think one left to go."

The quote about the cost and the breathalyzer combined a couple of Obama's comments. The two he said (as accurately as I have been able to find them...)

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"Everybody knows that it makes no sense that you send a kid to the emergency room for a treatable illness like asthma, they end up taking up a hospital bed, it costs, when, if you, they just gave, you gave them treatment early and they got some treatment, and a, a breathalyzer, or inhalator, not a breathalyzer. I haven't had much sleep in the last 48 hours."

"What they'll say is, 'Well it costs too much money,' but you know what? It would cost, about. It it it would cost about the same as what we would spend. It. Over the course of 10 years it would cost what it would costs us. (nervous laugh) All right. Okay. We're going to. It. It would cost us about the same as it would cost for about hold on one second. I can't hear myself. But I'm glad you're fired up, though. I'm glad."

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"It was interesting to see that political interaction in Europe is not that different from the United States Senate. There's a lot of, I don’t know what the term is in Austrian, wheeling and dealing."

"Let me be absolutely clear. Israel is a strong friend of Israel".

At least we know Obama had good judgement, he told us so himself:

"I have made good judgments in the past. I have made good judgments in the future."

He doesn't really get metaphors:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dSTr-IiFbsE

"We are going to fix the inner cities"
"Are you going to talk with the black caucus about this?"
"Why don't you set up the meeting for me?"
"Wtf I'm just a reporter"
What is his thought process for him to answer like that? It doesn't make any sense. She is asking if he is going to do it, he can answer with a "yes" or "no", he can even say "I will get my people to call them" or "If they contact me I can hear their opinions", but he chooses to throw this responsibility on her?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bd_ZfWDoTw0

I think he is dumb, but I don't deny he has tricks. You know, sometimes two people are arguing, and one of them throws the other of balance with deflections, "straw-man", "both-side-ism" and etc. That is not a sign of intellect, is more of a sign of experience. One wouldn't be working with their logic but with tools that manipulate the conversation.

If one pays attention they will see that he talks and talks without saying anything. Ivanka does the same thing, they say vague things in a way that leaves to the listener the duty to fill the blanks with anything they want.

This is a skill that doesn't require high intellect to use. And if one is paying attention what can Trump do? If one knows that Trump is bullshitting they will give up on trying to make sense of what he is talking and they will cling to anything objective that he says.

If you dispel the fog you see that there's nothing behind. He isn't a cultured man, he isn't a scholar, he hates reading, he doesn't try to understand different point of views, he is unprincipled besides "might makes right", he is indeed a mental midget.

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DalaiLama wrote:

Spoiler

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soneka101 wrote:

Also,I wonder what you are implying with this...

Is that Obama is just as bad as Trump as a speaker? I don't think anyone would believe that claim.

It depends which of the 57 states they are from.
"I've now been in 57 states I think one left to go."

The quote about the cost and the breathalyzer combined a couple of Obama's comments. The two he said (as accurately as I have been able to find them...)

.............

"Everybody knows that it makes no sense that you send a kid to the emergency room for a treatable illness like asthma, they end up taking up a hospital bed, it costs, when, if you, they just gave, you gave them treatment early and they got some treatment, and a, a breathalyzer, or inhalator, not a breathalyzer. I haven't had much sleep in the last 48 hours."

"What they'll say is, 'Well it costs too much money,' but you know what? It would cost, about. It it it would cost about the same as what we would spend. It. Over the course of 10 years it would cost what it would costs us. (nervous laugh) All right. Okay. We're going to. It. It would cost us about the same as it would cost for about hold on one second. I can't hear myself. But I'm glad you're fired up, though. I'm glad."

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"It was interesting to see that political interaction in Europe is not that different from the United States Senate. There's a lot of, I don’t know what the term is in Austrian, wheeling and dealing."

"Let me be absolutely clear. Israel is a strong friend of Israel".

At least we know Obama had good judgement, he told us so himself:

"I have made good judgments in the past. I have made good judgments in the future."

I doubt that even you believe Obama is just as bad speaker as Trump
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AxuwazaXOMg
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v8e5d8HOaMA

Obama saying something dumb or inaccurate is a rarity, Trump saying something dumb or inaccurate is normal.

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Spoiler

BAKER: What have you been doing, Mr. President, sort of behind the scenes?

TRUMP: A lot. A lot.

BAKER: I mean, what do you think the crucial conversations have been?

TRUMP: Many conversations. I just had one with a certain senator that was very convincing to that senator. So I’ve done a lot. I mean, last night — last night it was amazing. I was at the — you know, I was in West Virginia doing certain things and making a speech to the Boy Scouts, and that was some crowd. That was an incredible crowd.

But I’ve been working hard, trying to get the senators to go along with it. And I — you know, I think I — you know, look, just don’t quote me on this unless it happens, but I think we have a pretty good shot. And that vote’s taking place at about 2:00 today, right? 2:00?

He is a bullshit artist.What comes from his mouth has no substance, but since it's ambiguous people can project what they want in it.

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DalaiLama wrote:

Positive affirmation instead of alcohol or drugs - to counter what is arguably the most hostile press in history? (Lincoln may have faced more hate, I'm not sure on that).

He is the Commander in Chief, he is responsible for the safety of 300+ million citizens, but the press can affect him so much that if he doesn't get his folder of propaganda he can't carry on.

You don't even need to assassinate the President, take his propaganda folder away and he might kill himself the next time he watches CNN criticizing something he said.

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soneka101 wrote:

Is that Obama is just as bad as Trump as a speaker?

Obama was a better speaker, by far. He still had his blunders. Trump's disjointed manner of speaking isn't an occasional thing.

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soneka101 wrote:

He is the Commander in Chief, he is responsible for the safety of 300+ million citizens, but the press can affect him so much that if he doesn't get his folder of propaganda he can't carry on.

Nice supposition. What happens if he can't get his folder and can't get his diet Coke on the same day- all out nuclear war? Is that what keeps you from being able to sleep at night? If so, maybe you should volunteer to ensure Trump gets his folder. It's up to you to save the planet!

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鬼殺し wrote:

I think you're giving far too much credit to his potential for amusing stream-of-consciousness and associative wordplay.

You are correct. In private, he's rather laid back, and not the life of the party. Tends to chime in here and there, rather than bring up new points of conversation.

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DalaiLama wrote:

Nice supposition. What happens if he can't get his folder and can't get his diet Coke on the same day- all out nuclear war? Is that what keeps you from being able to sleep at night? If so, maybe you should volunteer to ensure Trump gets his folder. It's up to you to save the planet!

Are you kidding? Do you think I have the skills to find positive information about Trump? I'm sure that one needs serious training to be able of doing that. Fox & Friends must have a room full of sexual assault vict- I mean, employees, yes, a room full of employees that work 24/7 just so they can flatter him in the morning. I don't have the skills to heal his low self-steam twice a day. Besides, why should I do that when there are still Generals left in the WH?

I mean, McMaster came to clean his ass when he gave intel to Russia, and Gen Kelly tried to restrict his use of twitter, so when it comes to babysitting the President of the United States, no one has more experience than its generals. They are highly trained and condecorated officials, I'm sure they have been waiting for this kind of situation their whole careers...

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