It's not that he's a 4d chess playing genius messiah, that's not the point. I think most of his supporters understood the Trump presidency was never going to be one of great optics. And Trump understands he's not going to win in the court of public opinion so it would only undermine his efforts as president to try.
The whole point of a Trump presidency was that even though he was going to take his lumps as well as leave a few nations with the short end of some deals that 'murica would come out ahead and be stronger for it.
That's the whole point, America first and a president willing to put America first no matter what.
Well, so far its not working very well. He has made a mess of things because he hasn't been willing to learn what it takes to be President. It is pretty clear he doesn't know how to make this country better. I'm not even sure when he says that he will make America great again, which past time he is referring to. Does he plan to take us back to 1950s? The 60s or 70s? or the crime ridden, drug filled 80s when crack and AIDS swept across the country. The 1930-40s weren't any picnic either.
Help me out here. Which "great" time are we going back to?
I find it amusing anyone actually thought Trump would ever learn or knew how to be president.
But in regards to your comment about which era the 'again' part was referring to, the fact that it's vague means people will fill in the specifics for themselves and actually convince themselves whatever they came up with in their mind is what Trump is talking about. That slogan was brilliant actually.
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It's not that he's a 4d chess playing genius messiah, that's not the point. I think most of his supporters understood the Trump presidency was never going to be one of great optics. And Trump understands he's not going to win in the court of public opinion so it would only undermine his efforts as president to try.
The whole point of a Trump presidency was that even though he was going to take his lumps as well as leave a few nations with the short end of some deals that 'murica would come out ahead and be stronger for it.
That's the whole point, America first and a president willing to put America first no matter what.
Trump told us his game plan. He is gonna use his presidency to benefit himself. Trump first, America second.
Trump told us his game plan. He is gonna use his presidency to benefit himself. Trump first, America second.
He never said that.
When Stephen Colbert was killed by HYDRA's Project Insight in 2014, the comedy world lost a hero. Since his life model decoy isn't up to the task, please do not mistake my performance as political discussion. I'm just doing what Steve would have wanted.
Yeah, it's a very good slogan because it doesn't set a specific goal or even much in the way of an agreeable state. It's good because it's tricksy. It's not quite as catchy as I Like Ike, but it has a sort of hopeful-someday-yes-we-can-maybe-we-will-just-keep-working-little-ants tone to it.
But Georg, I do have a question for you that I've been mulling over since your response to what I said quoting Xavderion. How can anyone in America put America first when the very idea of 'America' isn't something America can agree upon? What is 'America'? Is it the sum of its people? Well, yes, but I am sure there are many individuals in America that will never be first or even feel being part of any 'first'. So if 'America' in the context of 'America First' isn't actually its people, it has to be 'America' as a country perceived by other countries. When you invoke a 'first', you're also creating a 'last' and 'everyone in between'. That has to mean 'all the other countries in this case'...and I don't think it's possible to put your country above all others but simultaneously fail to treat that country fairly. To divide it within and conquer it not through unity but through partisan pettiness.
Trump is, contrary to your sentiments, supremely inadequate for putting America First because he is the consummate capitalist. And capitalism is and always will be victory at the expense of others. If those others happen to be other countries, then great. That can 'make America great'. But America will never, ever be great for as long as it has so many internal problems. These cannot be solved by putting 'America First' on the world stage. That alone only engages in the sort of jingoistic chest-thumping we're all used to and sick of from America.
The first step to making America great is to find someone who puts America first *in their heart*. Trump will always put Trump first. He will demonise *all* Muslims one week to rally his cause, and then the next week wine and dine with very rich Muslims because it's good for business. This is not a trustworthy leader. And I don't need to point out his sketchy, far-from-consistently-successful business history. Perhaps most damning is that he will go to incredible lengths to avoid personal blame, including tanking his own companies. This is someone who won't just throw people under a bus; he'll make sure the bus backs over them a few times. And of course he'll have no idea who drove it or even if there was a bus. Any claims to the contrary will be declared fake news and here's the kicker: he might even believe it.
There may be some argument that Trump's selfishness can be beneficial for America, and that's true as long as he sees himself 'as' America, just as he has shown himself capable of seeing himself as New York in the past -- he once famously said that an attack on New York is an attack on him, and (here's the funny bit) vice versa. But I doubt Trump sees himself as emblematic of the body entire of America. He knows it's a house divided a hundred ways down the centre, even he must know that. So in the absence of putting America first by putting Trump first, he's putting His Idea of America first. And that'd be fine, if it included a substantial part of America. But it doesn't. House divided.
So to return to the original query: what is this 'America' Trump is going to make great again, and just how much of the American population does it have to include to be valid? Or is it, as I suspect, less a case of making America great for Americans again, and more a case of simply reminding the world, forcibly and boorishly, how great America is compared to the rest of it? The art of the deal is about being the loudest, most noticed person in the room. Shove to the front if you must. Be the centre of all the world. Might work okay for capitalist dealings, but on the world stage? Anything but Trump at his most well-behaved, sticking to a script I doubt he writes, is considered a joke.
We've had a relatively sane week because he was both abroad and behaving...and he wasn't tweeting like a madman. That's a sad state of affairs, don't you think? When it takes kicking him out of the country he's meant to be making great, and keeping him so busy he can't tweet untenable hyperbole, to make him seem presidential.
Trump will not make America Great Again because his idea of 'America' has very little to do with the welfare of all or even a majority of Americans, and his idea of 'Great Again' starts and ends with Trump.
Wish I could have emailed this to a couple dozen million Trump supporters before they voted.
Trump is, contrary to your sentiments, supremely inadequate for putting America First because he is the consummate capitalist. And capitalism is and always will be victory at the expense of others.
Under a fully free-market system, any transaction that one party feels is a defeat at their expense cannot exist; if they don't think it's a victory or at least neutral, they don't agree to the transaction. It's a system where only those stupid enough to agree to a defeat can lose.
In contrast, the kind of government-mandated transactions that laissez-faire avoids regularly do have winners and losers. When you're held at gunpoint, that's a pretty solid indicator that you're about to be the loser of an upcoming transaction, regardless of whether that gun is held by a criminal or a cop.
When Stephen Colbert was killed by HYDRA's Project Insight in 2014, the comedy world lost a hero. Since his life model decoy isn't up to the task, please do not mistake my performance as political discussion. I'm just doing what Steve would have wanted.
yeah, sadly there are people that are immune to logic and their own well being doesnt matter to them.
This is an example of why the left is a major part of the problem, this holier than though position.
Imagine your a simple minded rural/small town Trump supporter reading this. They're going read this as saying they're so stupid they're incapable of understanding the logic in your arguments and when you say their own well being doesn't matter to them you're saying they're too stupid to know what's good for them.
Trump's election is as much a result of the left as it is anything else.
Trump is, contrary to your sentiments, supremely inadequate for putting America First because he is the consummate capitalist. And capitalism is and always will be victory at the expense of others.
Under a fully free-market system, any transaction that one party feels is a defeat at their expense cannot exist; if they don't think it's a victory or at least neutral, they don't agree to the transaction. It's a system where only those stupid enough to agree to a defeat can lose.
In contrast, the kind of government-mandated transactions that laissez-faire avoids regularly do have winners and losers. When you're held at gunpoint, that's a pretty solid indicator that you're about to be the loser of an upcoming transaction, regardless of whether that gun is held by a criminal or a cop.
You mean unhappy customers doesn't exist? Care to explain how people who vote for Bernie or Hillary Clinton and got Donald Trump? What you have is oligopolies, reality often doesn't match your perfect competition scenario.
