Death Penalties

I am not sure but right now the Death Penalty from this Game is like this:
Oh i died, pfft what ever!
and that on Merciless!

I played a Game where Death is very unforgiving like losing all of your Equipment including Money and Exp plus you got a Death Penalty too, like half HP for a given Duration.
Ohhh i think that was D2!
but that was not Really Good...

But maybe this Game needs something new, something really Challenging and never seen before in any other Game, something like if you Die, you have the Choice to Fight in Hell for your lost Exp, also like this example:

You died and have lost 15% of your Exp, for a "your Level" Character you must Kill "To-Kill List" in Hell, now you have the Choice!

Lets Fight those Mobs in Hell!
You get Spawned in a Hell Town there you could Buy or Sell some Stuff and you get your "to-kill List" and a Red Portal to a Random Hell Like Dungeon (Imagine the Creepiest of the Creepy a really Bloody Hell of a Nightmare xD).
There you must Fight the Mobs on your "to-kill List" you must Fight all those Mobs on the List and then you get your 15% Exp Back something like:

To-kill List
Normal Mobs: 50
Magic Mobs: 20
Rare Mobs: 15
Elite Mobs: 5

Those Numbers will increase as your Level Rises(maybe 10% each lvl?), and it should be Handled like a Quest (The Hell Quest) if you have killed your Mobs, a Portal to Normal Town will open.

Rules of The Hell System
-The Hell should´t be too Hard, but Challenging!
-The Hell should be a Quicker way to get your 15% Exp back, but whit a Risk you could lose 30% if you Die in there! (Yea! That would be unforgiving 45% then!)
-If you log out while in Hell (or dc´d) you Spawn in Hell Town!
-The Mobs are all at your Level!
-You can use Portals in Hell but you only get to Hell Town! (They should look Red).

Party

-If you die in Party your Teammate´s get a Choice to Help you there (Those will lose 15% too (Cause they Die!) and after Beating the Hell you and your Team get the exp back).
-Its Saver if you are in a Party cause if you Die (in Hell)! you wont lose 30% exp but you will spawn in Hell Town and you get a Curse for 1H if you die again you lose 30% (remains until done, also after Hell too!).
-You can only make a Hell Party while in Hell Town (if you whisper a Living Player he will see something like"Takahiro´s whisper from Hell"), then he know that i am in Hell right now xD and if some living Player will whisper you to Hell i see something like"Dude´s wisper from the Living"

Items and exp

-You dont get any Items there (or low chance of Obtaining Hell Items?).
-Hell Items Could be New Currency? (Can be discussed?)
-You can´t use The Hell to Train! (also you only get your 15% exp back after defeating all of those Mobs).

Lets Retreat and lose 15% exp!
pfft, what ever!
And you wont get Nightmares of Hell xD

Damn my Ideas are Flowing!

And how is that? could it be possible to Implement something Big and New as Death Penalty?

Hey,

I'm just going to use this thread since it seems to be the right place :D

So, after playing now for a while, I think the death penalty as it is right now
(Softcore at least) is not a good mechanic.


- Why isn't the death penalty a good thing?

If you just think about it. The most valuable thing you as a human have, is
actually time. Maybe sounds a little poetic. But isn't it that way?

Let's be honest. You play a game. You want to have FUN in that game. And
let's just say you play on softcore (since hardcore has its penalty anyhow).
Do you really want to bother to lose 5-10% of your experience?
What you lose in the end, is just some of your VERY valuable time.

The problem is, the farer you progress with your character, the more
"dramatic" the exp loss gets. 10% on a certain level can be a LOT!
Which at the end, is just extra time you got to invest, JUST to get your character
on a level it already was!

Is this a good thing on a SOFTCORE Server? I hardly think so.

There are plenty of reasons to die without any of your fault. Desync, just
freezes when you run the game on a low performance computer ect.
And believe me, it is so frustrating if you just died because you had a freez
for about 2 seconds and realise that you have to grind maybe an hour or more
just to get that exp loss back.

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The Death Penalty should be changed! If you want a good penalty on death, why
don't you just go ahead and play on hardcore?

Still, probably there has to be at least some kind of death penalty.
My solution would be:

If you die, you get a Debuff... what kind of debuff is the thing to figure out.
Maybe 10% less exp gain for 10minutes? It even could stack up to 5x times for example.
Or 10% less rarity find? There are a lot of different opportunities.

Something has to change! 10% exp loss on merciless on a high lvl char is just
WAY to much...

Think about it ;)

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wftico wrote:

Hey,

I'm just going to use this thread since it seems to be the right place :D

So, after playing now for a while, I think the death penalty as it is right now
(Softcore at least) is not a good mechanic.


- Why isn't the death penalty a good thing?

If you just think about it. The most valuable thing you as a human have, is
actually time. Maybe sounds a little poetic. But isn't it that way?

Let's be honest. You play a game. You want to have FUN in that game. And
let's just say you play on softcore (since hardcore has its penalty anyhow).
Do you really want to bother to lose 5-10% of your experience?
What you lose in the end, is just some of your VERY valuable time.

The problem is, the farer you progress with your character, the more
"dramatic" the exp loss gets. 10% on a certain level can be a LOT!
Which at the end, is just extra time you got to invest, JUST to get your character
on a level it already was!

Is this a good thing on a SOFTCORE Server? I hardly think so.

There are plenty of reasons to die without any of your fault. Desync, just
freezes when you run the game on a low performance computer ect.
And believe me, it is so frustrating if you just died because you had a freez
for about 2 seconds and realise that you have to grind maybe an hour or more
just to get that exp loss back.

___________________________________________________________________________________

The Death Penalty should be changed! If you want a good penalty on death, why
don't you just go ahead and play on hardcore?

Still, probably there has to be at least some kind of death penalty.
My solution would be:

If you die, you get a Debuff... what kind of debuff is the thing to figure out.
Maybe 10% less exp gain for 10minutes? It even could stack up to 5x times for example.
Or 10% less rarity find? There are a lot of different opportunities.

Something has to change! 10% exp loss on merciless on a high lvl char is just
WAY to much...

Think about it ;)

No death penalty means people go full dps, don't care about defensive stats and just invest in portals to come back to the place where they died. It's silly. There should be a punishment for death.

Basic idea is: you get what you deserve and let's face it, most people who would vote for no death penalty are noobs who can't figure out good builds or have terrible gear and try to farm locations too difficult for them.

im on level 87 with my marauder now, every death takes 3-4 days of play off for me, it really sucks, feel like im neber going to level unless i play boring safe content

I want to be rewarded for doing ridiculously challenging content if there is a death penalty for exp!

Im talking double level 78 dominus + vulnerability or gmp -21 max res frenzy charged map piety

Now i will just skip these situations in fear of losing exp and knowing the drop will be lack luster, skipping content is not good :(

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DutchRudder wrote:

im on level 87 with my marauder now, every death takes 3-4 days of play off for me, it really sucks, feel like im neber going to level unless i play boring safe content

I want to be rewarded for doing ridiculously challenging content if there is a death penalty for exp!

Im talking double level 78 dominus + vulnerability or gmp -21 max res frenzy charged map piety

Now i will just skip these situations in fear of losing exp and knowing the drop will be lack luster, skipping content is not good :(

A death at your level is at most a couple of hours lost (don't say I don't know what I'm talking about, I was lvl 90 on Anarchy). Unless of course you're farming in low level maps or some other ridiculous places.

If you die a lot, get more survivability.

I haven't been that far as DutchRudder, but if it's really true that
it takes you even DAYS to get your lost exp back, how can this be a good thing
on a softcore server really?

And @korgan_bloodaxe, there still should be a death penalty, but not 10%
of your exp. Loosing even days is NOT "what you deserve" when you ONCE died.

How is this even live? I really don't get it.

And seriously, how much talent do you need for this game? The only difficulty
about bosses is the huge onehit like damage they do (ggg even said they
balance bosses after an ALT+F4 strategy). So you can't really shine with skill there
since there isn't anything to dodge.

And I repeat, the most times you die is because of desync, freezes, lags in general
or maybe even long loadingscreens. Do you really consider these things as "you deserved
to die and take the exp loss"?

There are better ways!
And at all it shouldn't be % based. I mean, if you would die with a lvl 99 char
maybe due to above named reasons, this is ridiculous :D

I am firmly of the belief that this game should have an item durability system. When you die, all of your non-gem items would lose 1 durability; by default, this would be the only way for your items to lose durability. The only ways to repair this durability loss would be to Eternal the item (which restores the durability from the time it was Eternal'd) and Mirror of Kalandra (which actually wouldn't restore durability, but give you a copy which you can run into the ground). Durability could be set with larger or smaller numbers to control how stiff this penalty is and feels. This would give the softcore game modes an item sink which slows, but does not stop, the flow of hand-me-down items which persist forever; this, in turn, would help combat inflation.

Gems would not have durability, but incur an XP penalty on death.

In exchange for these new item-based penalties, the character XP penalty should be removed completely.

Additionally, you could make some interesting item affixes based on durability. For example, weapons with extremely high crit chance, or shields with extremely high block chance, but which lose durability per attack or block. Or affixes which prevent certain effects, such as stun or elemental status, but lose durability each time they do so. Some interesting design space there.

Debuffs would just encourage players to log off until its over. If they only track when your in game then wouldn't you still be losing time just like before?

Lets face it, this game is mostly a time sink. Its not based on skill, its just a big grind. The exp penalty is fine.

Nah, I totally agree with cas5nq. I think that's a great idea and a big improvement over what we have now. Even if I had a bunch of stacks I would still play some lower level maps or something because I enjoy the gameplay and you can still get killer drops or farm up materials.

As it is now, the -10% is a major kick in the balls. cas's idea softens that blow a bit and I think it should be tested and implemented ASAP.

This game is too white/black right now. Some of the map bosses difficulty, instead of ramping up gradually, spikes of the charts. Spike damage in general is pretty rampant. Crafting is usually an all or nothing ordeal, you can blow through a lot of currency just trying to 6 socket something. The death penalty, you're either leveling briskly or not at all because of it and it keeps you from even attempting a boss fight that could be close. That's not exciting. I think we would be better of if they met us in the middle on some of these issues.