[2.6] The Curse Whisperer - Tri-Curse CI Whispering Ice Elementalist - Viable for Everything

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Kelvynn wrote:

But it's the fastest map clearer. The Scion constantly operates at 120% speed (or more with a good belt), and the damage is enough for 1-shotting trash in any tier with any mods.

Wait, what? 30% from boots, 20% from onslaught: where is the other 70% coming from? (I'm assuming you're not requiring 3 quicksilver flasks, and I'm ignoring 5% from a belt...)

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Kelvynn wrote:

The changes to AoE are actually a slight buff for this build (see 1 page up).

Waiting for the 2.6 patch notes to see what happens to Pyre. If it retains at least 50% conversion then we simply buy Avatar of Fire with the 2 points recently saved on dropping Deep Thoughts. If Pyre is nerfed into a FUBAR state then we switch to the old scheme that does not include that item (AoF + CtF + good ring).

Unless GGG has more nerfs coming that affect this build in 2.6, it won't be any different.

Thanks alot for the reply, i'll probably go on that for the new league then very nice because i really enjoy playing this build.

One more question which version you think is the best for :
- Low budget
And which version is the best for :
- Shaper

Thanks again for the amazing job you do with the guide and the reply on your guide =) keep it up

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Graiaule wrote:

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Kelvynn wrote:

But it's the fastest map clearer. The Scion constantly operates at 120% speed (or more with a good belt), and the damage is enough for 1-shotting trash in any tier with any mods.

Wait, what? 30% from boots, 20% from onslaught: where is the other 70% coming from? (I'm assuming you're not requiring 3 quicksilver flasks, and I'm ignoring 5% from a belt...)

2 Quicksilvers is more than enough for 100% uptime. Or even 1 if you just blow thru the map and don't bother picking up loot.

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Zero5944 wrote:

One more question which version you think is the best for :
- Low budget
And which version is the best for :
- Shaper

1. Anything not self-cast (i.e. not Inquisitor, unless you play that class with CwC too). The gear is exactly the same.

2. Berserker. Dat leech. :)

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Kelvynn wrote:

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Zero5944 wrote:

Do you think the nerf of Pyre and the change of AoE will affect alot the build ? Or do you think it will still be okay ?

The changes to AoE are actually a slight buff for this build (see 1 page up).

are they? I mean... less aoe (you said 17% vs 20%) means slighty higher single target dps. So the aoe change means that the build gets slightly stronger for bosskilling, and slightly worse for map clearing. I dont think this can be considered a buff for this build; imho speed clearing is a bigger weakness than boss kill capacities. ;)

but ofc the whole aoe thing is not a biggie, it's a just minor change that we probably wont notice, neither while mapping nor on bosses.


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about fire conversion: you were right that I forgot about liege of the primordial. ok, thats another 40% increased damage that fire conversion offers, plus the occassional bonus from paragon of calamity.

my point still stands though: I never said that fire conversion would do nothing for the tooltip damage, I never said that the build would deal the same damage without conversion. I just said that, provided you can find good jewels without fire damage on them, the damage gains by fire conversion arent huge. they are there, but they arent huge. certainly enough to "sacrifice" two passive points for avatar of fire though.


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about SR - CWC vs selfcast: the tooltip damage is quite similar (I can provide the math and ingame examples if necessary). the difference is in utility: on builds with SR - CWC, you dont have to invest into cast speed at all, but on the other hand cannot take advantage of cast speed either (e.g. vaal haste). with cwc, you dont need mana or mana regen. selfcast builds can deal with this issue with highend gear, but until then, its a plus for cwc. and cwc has no animation lock. on the other hand, you have to hold down the mouse button all the time on cwc. some persons dont like the animation lock of selfcast, others (myself included) find the channeling playstyle of cwc annoying.

another point to be considered is that cwc is harder to play perfectly. sure, if you're fighting a tough boss where you stack icestorms, it doesnt make a difference. but if you're mapping and want to cast one icestorm on each pack and then move on as quickly as possible, you must hit the 0.35s cast time exactly. release the mouse button before 0.35s and you dont get the icestorm and just wasted time. release the mouse button after the 0.35s, and you just wasted every hundredth of a second above 0.35.

an example: say your reaction time is 0.1s and you stop casting SR the moment you see the icestorm come (which is after 0.35s) - in that case, it will take another 0.1s to stop casting SR, rendering your effective "casttime per icestorm" to 0.45s. so, essentially, you have to have a "feeling" for the 0.35s timer to get the most out of the the cwc setup. this point, again, is no biggie, but I would keep it in mind.

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Black_Gun wrote:

plus the occassional bonus from paragon of calamity

There are some pretty big occassions. The biggest one being Mr Shaper whose laser beam is 50% fire 50% cold damage. :)

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but if you're mapping and want to cast one icestorm on each pack and then move on as quickly as possible, you must hit the 0.35s cast time exactly. release the mouse button before 0.35s and you dont get the icestorm and just wasted time. release the mouse button after the 0.35s, and you just wasted every hundredth of a second above 0.35.

Getting used to the rhythm is very easy, and soon enough you feel that 0.35 sec and press the button for just long enough. No biggie if it happens to be a little longer, wasting a few hundreths of a second.

On the other hand, casting ONE Icestorm with self-cast is not even possible unless you replace SE with FC for the clearing (and put SE back in for the boss?).

Really, really nice build. I made the build in 2 days and for the first time I took down the uber Izaro. Only invested around 3ex for the build and facetanked twin Malformation boss while 5 level down. If nothing changes I highly suggest everyone to try it out.

And thanks Kelvynn.

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Kelvynn wrote:

1. Anything not self-cast (i.e. not Inquisitor, unless you play that class with CwC too). The gear is exactly the same.

2. Berserker. Dat leech. :)

Okay thanks alot for reply was planning to do Berserker so really good :D.

Pyre: Cold Damage converted to Fire Damage mod reduced to 40%.

Damn, we drop pyre right?

Sad to see pyre nerfed so hard