The Exiled Sale Recipe Book (spoilers)

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Perusoe wrote:

I don't know if this has already been documented, but...

Last night I decided to sell some of the Skill Gems that have been cluttering up my Stash. This is what I discovered:

1 Skill Gem = 1 Scroll Fragment
5 Skill Gems = 1 Scroll of Wisdom
13 Skill Gems = 1 Gemcutter's Prism, 1 Scroll of Wisdom and 3 Scroll Fragments
33 Skill Gems = 2 Gemcutter's Prisms, 4 Scrolls of Wisdom and 2 Scroll Fragments

Gemcutter's Prisms can be used to improve the quality of a Skill Gem by 1%, up to a maximum of 20%.

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Perusoe wrote:

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Letamol wrote:

Your gems probably had quality on them that's why you were able to get GCP's for them.

Nope. They were just Skill Gems I picked up from Normal through Merciless Difficulties. I didn't even know Gems could have "Quality" until I read some previous posts. But, the ones I traded had no "Quality" listed.

I did use the 2 Gemcutter's Prisms to add 1 Quality each to my Poison Arrow Skill Gem and Split Arrow Skill Gem. (You probably guessed I'm playing a Ranger).

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Confirmed fake. I just put in 53 0% skills and supports and got exactly that many Scroll Fragments (10 SoW 3 SF).

So according to Chris there currently is NO recipe for fusing orbs.

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unsane wrote:

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Perusoe wrote:

I don't know if this has already been documented, but...

Last night I decided to sell some of the Skill Gems that have been cluttering up my Stash. This is what I discovered:

1 Skill Gem = 1 Scroll Fragment
5 Skill Gems = 1 Scroll of Wisdom
13 Skill Gems = 1 Gemcutter's Prism, 1 Scroll of Wisdom and 3 Scroll Fragments
33 Skill Gems = 2 Gemcutter's Prisms, 4 Scrolls of Wisdom and 2 Scroll Fragments

Gemcutter's Prisms can be used to improve the quality of a Skill Gem by 1%, up to a maximum of 20%.

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Perusoe wrote:

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Letamol wrote:

Your gems probably had quality on them that's why you were able to get GCP's for them.

Nope. They were just Skill Gems I picked up from Normal through Merciless Difficulties. I didn't even know Gems could have "Quality" until I read some previous posts. But, the ones I traded had no "Quality" listed.

I did use the 2 Gemcutter's Prisms to add 1 Quality each to my Poison Arrow Skill Gem and Split Arrow Skill Gem. (You probably guessed I'm playing a Ranger).

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Confirmed fake. I just put in 53 0% skills and supports and got exactly that many Scroll Fragments (10 SoW 3 SF).

I have no reason to "fake" this. I video captured the trade in order to accurately document the transaction. Unfortunately, I deleted the video clips or I would upload it to YouTube and let you see it for yourself. Next time I have an overabundance of Gems I won't use, I'll do just that.

I will say this: Of the 33 Gems I traded, 4 of them had leveled because I used them until I didn't meet the requirements anymore. But I put them in the trade last and none of the Gems I traded, including the leveled ones, had "Quality".

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Perusoe wrote:

I don't know if this has already been documented, but...

Last night I decided to sell some of the Skill Gems that have been cluttering up my Stash. This is what I discovered:

1 Skill Gem = 1 Scroll Fragment
5 Skill Gems = 1 Scroll of Wisdom
13 Skill Gems = 1 Gemcutter's Prism, 1 Scroll of Wisdom and 3 Scroll Fragments
33 Skill Gems = 2 Gemcutter's Prisms, 4 Scrolls of Wisdom and 2 Scroll Fragments

Gemcutter's Prisms can be used to improve the quality of a Skill Gem by 1%, up to a maximum of 20%.

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Lets assume, for a minute, that you are right about this. There is a rule that has worked so far for determining how recipe items get lumped together. A single item cannot be used for more than one recipe at a time.

A gem, sold normally, is worth 1 scroll fragment. This means, while you were selling those 13 skill gems, 5 of them were not being converted to scroll fragments, which means those 5 were the ones creating the GCP.

In the second instance, 11 of the 33 skill gems you were trading were creating 2 GCP.

So, either this new recipe you allegedly found does not require a predetermined number of gems, or you were using the already known recipe without realizing it. The average value of these gems you were trading would have to be 7-8% quality to allow for a GCP under the known recipe. This is just about exactly where you'd expect the average quality to be for a random assortment of quality gems, so I would find this to be the most likely explanation. You said yourself that you didn't even realize quality existed on gems until recently. If you weren't accustomed to looking for quality on your gems, isn't it possible that you just didn't realize the gems you were selling had quality?

The other explanation is that you have found a recipe that can use a variable number of non-quality gems to create a GCP. While I don't think it can be ruled out entirely, since there are a whole lot of things that probably haven't been tried, it also doesn't offer all that many clues as to what this recipe could be.

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Perusoe wrote:

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I have no reason to "fake" this. I video captured the trade in order to accurately document the transaction. Unfortunately, I deleted the video clips or I would upload it to YouTube and let you see it for yourself. Next time I have an overabundance of Gems I won't use, I'll do just that.

I will say this: Of the 33 Gems I traded, 4 of them had leveled because I used them until I didn't meet the requirements anymore. But I put them in the trade last and none of the Gems I traded, including the leveled ones, had "Quality".

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When capturing the video remember to mouseover each gem, so we can confirm the exact recipe faster. When you did not know they could have quality, it tells me that it is not impossible for you to have overlooked it (not on purpose!). The only thing I can think of as differing from others are the levels. If levels would count it is not impossible as a part of a recipe. Having 5 and 11 of the gems for 1 respectively 2 qemcutters prisms does however point towards the quality recipe.

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radiatoren wrote:

When capturing the video remember to mouseover each gem, so we can confirm the exact recipe faster.

Not a problem. This happens automatically whenever I move a Skill Gem or Support Gem from my Inventory to the merchant's store. Of course, some video pausing on the viewer's part might be necessary. ;-)

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radiatoren wrote:

When you did not know they could have quality, it tells me that it is not impossible for you to have overlooked it (not on purpose!).

I am relatively new to the Path of Exile Beta. Because of this, I am pretty careful to read the descriptions of everything I pick up. I know about "Quality" on flasks, weapons and armor, but so far, I have not read any "Quality" listings on Skill Gems. At least not until I used those 2 Gemcutter's Prisms. However, I will not discount the possibility that I overlooked some while trading the ones I had.

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radiatoren wrote:

The only thing I can think of as differing from others are the levels. If levels would count it is not impossible as a part of a recipe. Having 5 and 11 of the gems for 1 respectively 2 qemcutters prisms does however point towards the quality recipe.

The only thing I can verify at this point is that there were a combination of Skill Gems and Support Gems. They were different colors, anything that would not be typically used by a Ranger. So, there were red, green and blues ones. 4, maybe 5 of them had been leveled. Out of the 33 Gems I traded, I did not notice a "Quality" attribute in the description, but I may have overlooked some of them.

I know what to look for now. I did not realize that my find would cause so much controversy. I'm just here to have fun and share my experiences.

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The thing is, it's been a few weeks now since anyone has found anything new. And since we've heard that we are missing some recipes, it's still something that a lot of people are investigating, or at least watching very closely.

So, of course, any hint of something new is likely to cause a bit of a fuss. It's nothing personal. You're trying whatever you can think of. That's a good thing.

A maybe useful hint:

White items with linked red-green-blue sockets cost 1 ID scroll at the vendors (when offered); blue ones are offered for 1 Orb of Augmentation.
Both are a good invest (in my opinion) to resell against Chromatic Orbs, so I run all accessible vendors for that after levelups.

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Perusoe wrote:

I have no reason to "fake" this. I video captured the trade in order to accurately document the transaction. Unfortunately, I deleted the video clips or I would upload it to YouTube and let you see it for yourself. Next time I have an overabundance of Gems I won't use, I'll do just that.

Fake was the wrong word to use, i've been on the internets too long, my cynicism is showing.

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Perusoe wrote:

I will say this: Of the 33 Gems I traded, 4 of them had leveled because I used them until I didn't meet the requirements anymore. But I put them in the trade last and none of the Gems I traded, including the leveled ones, had "Quality".

For testing, the 53 gems i tried were mostly level 1, i believe the rest were: 2 2 2 3 4 4 4 4 5 5 5 6 6 6 6 7 7 7 8. Someone high level with a bunch of level 15 gems could more easily test it out than me. However, since you put them in last but the recipes triggered earlier, it seems almost certain that the recipe isn't based on level.

Path of Exile Beta 0.9.5.g - Trading Gems for Prisms

Apologies
First of all, I'd like to apologize to everyone for some inaccurate information I recently posted concerning the trading of Gems for Prisms. It appears that Letamol and UristMcDwarfy are correct. It's all about "Quality" and has nothing to do with the number of Gems, the type (Skill or Support) or whether they are Leveled.

Back at the lab
In my original trade, I received 1 Gemcutter's Prism, 1 Scroll of Wisdom and 3 Scroll Fragments for 13 Gems (not 11, as some have mistakenly quoted me as saying). I received 2 Gemcutter's Prisms, 4 Scrolls of Wisdom and 2 Scroll Fragments after placing 33 Gems in the vendor's store, including the 13 Gems I already had placed there.

Last night I decided to try the trade again with only 29 Gems to work with. 17 of the Gems had no Quality. 2 Gems had no Quality, but were Leveled. 10 Gems were not Leveled, but had Quality ranging from 5% to 16%. All of the Gems varied in color and type (red, blue and green, Skill and Support).

I started with the Skill and Support Gems that had no Quality and were not Leveled. After placing 17 of these Gems into the store, I received only Scroll Fragments, with each 5 being converted to Scrolls of Wisdom.

I then added the 2 Leveled Gems, for a total of 19 Gems with no Quality and received 2 more Scroll Fragments. At this point, I had already disproved my original finding of 13 Gems for a Gemcutter's Prism. Leveled Gems do not seem to matter.

With the 19 Gems still in the vendor's store, I then began adding Gems with Quality, starting with the highest percentage. I added one with 16%, then 12%, 11% and 9%. At this point, I was offered 1 Gemcutter's Prism, 3 Scrolls of Wisdom and 4 Scroll Fragments. I then removed all of the Gems from the vendor's store.

This time I decided to test the trade with Quality Gems only. Starting with the highest Quality Gem, I placed a 16%, a 12%, 11% and 9% in the vendor's store. At this point, I was offered 1 Gemcutter's Prism for these 4 Gems and no Scroll Fragments or Scrolls of Wisdom.

I then tried to recreate my original trade by adding a combination of Gems with no Quality, Leveled Gems and Gems with Quality. I was finally able to succeed in reproducing my original results with 13 Gems. It is apparent that at least 4 of the Gems in my original trade had Quality. In the 33 Gems I originally traded for 2 Gemcutter's Prisms, 4 Scrolls of Wisdom and 2 Scroll Fragments, there must have been at least 4 more Gems with Quality or a total of 8 out of 33 Gems that had Quality.

Conclusion
I probably should have continued the test by removing all the Gems from the vendor's store and starting again with the lowest percentage Quality, but I didn't. So, I'm not sure if the total of percentages or the number of Gems with Quality is the factor here. In any event, Quality matters and the number or type of Gems do not.

As others have already stated, this probably falls under the known Quality recipe. I really am sorry for any confusion.

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