Remove xp penalty's from death

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PyleWarlord wrote:

yep, dying under 90 means nothing, just another map(or 5 mins).

I think they should change that ,if you die, you'll get a warning and if you die again without leveling, it's 25% penalty/death.

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PyleWarlord wrote:

yep, dying under 90 means nothing, just another map(or 5 mins).

I think they should change that ,if you die, you'll get a warning and if you die again without leveling, it's 25% penalty/death.

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ScrotieMcB wrote:

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PolarisOrbit wrote:

My issue with the death penalty is not about reaching 100. When a softcore character dies, that's a great excuse to end the session because it's irrevocable and negative. The issue here is ending on an irrevocable, negative note leaves players with a negative impression of the game. A player with a lowered perception of the game doesn't do much good for anybody.

The main issue I have with the death mechanic is that it doesn't offer a lifeline to get the player interested again-- A recovery mechanic to show that you have learned from your mistake. Rather than leave on the negative note, a player would be encouraged to push forward and turn the death into a learning experience. Not simply because the best/most skilled players know to learn for their mistakes, but because the game mechanics reinforce it upon everyone regardless of skill level. This makes sessions less likely to end on a sour note and helps player retention.

I feel simply being able to go back to the content without delay counts for quite a bit here. For example, PoE's HC death penalty utilizes this concept by porting a player to Standard, where they can still play for a bit, try a "what if," etc before reroll... much softer in tone than a straight deletion.

You raise a concern for some of the suggestions in this thread. For example, both the recurring "duration penalty" suggestion and my instance-closing idea have problems by your metric.

However, technically, your idea is moot to death penalty balance, and is more of a well-intended thing to do for dying characters. For example, let's say we gave back half of lost XP when a player kills the enemy which dealt the killing blow; the XP penalty would still need to be balanced assuming precisely this happened, so the revenge mechanic would be taking even more XP than the death penalty requires, then returning this extra bit later. The real death penalty, the non- refundable part, would be completely unaffected.

So really, what you are suggesting is not a death penalty, but a walk-away-and-do-something-else penalty. It hurts players for not diving right back into things, for AFK after a death. Not convinced such a thing would be good for the game, and frankly, it seems psychologically manipulative in a bad, BF Skinner kind of way.