Remove xp penalty's from death

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grepman wrote:

if you can get a 50% of maps drop in boss, why bother do the majority of the map ? itd be MUCH faster and efficient to do boss runs. GGG has stated it wanted to make map bosses hard because they were to be optional. your proposal completely invalidates that concept.

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mazul wrote:

When you get to the point where the xp penalty actually matters, you are already punished for dying: you lose a valuable portal.

Removing the xp penalty in Standard league, would make Standard league more popular for casual players. It would be a change with no negative downsides.

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gilrad wrote:

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grepman wrote:

if you can get a 50% of maps drop in boss, why bother do the majority of the map ? itd be MUCH faster and efficient to do boss runs. GGG has stated it wanted to make map bosses hard because they were to be optional. your proposal completely invalidates that concept.

Oh I see, you just didn't understand my suggestion (I did kind of simplify it since the last time I suggested it).

As you play the map, 50% of your drops are hidden and placed in the boss buffer. Rush to the boss, you don't get 50% of the map's total drops, you only get the other 50% of your drops that you had up until that point (which wouldn't be much if you skipped most of the map content). And let's just say other maps only drop from the boss as well, just for good measure.

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Anyway, those who keep saying "the XP penalty is fine, if you remove it people are just going to zergrush content" keep conveniently avoiding the fact that under the current system, once you can accept that you will no longer receive any more passive points, that's exactly what people do! Under the oh-so strict requirements a proper death penalty needs, I'd say the current system is a pretty bad death deterrent for those who don't care to level to 100. Much worse at encouraging players to avoid death than some of the other suggestions listed here.

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grepman wrote:

I was waiting when the 'real life time' argument would come in.
because its always absolutely ironic, at least to me it is.

GGG says it should take literally months to get to 100

so someone with real life time to get to 100...will likely complain about 'wasting' real time life
anyone else see some hilarious irony right here ?

heres a cool thought-
you COULD have the same fun youre having right now (atziri, double beyond, crazy mods) without ever hitting 100. or 99. or 95.

100 is a goal set by you and you only. if you didnt have FUN because you wanted the 100, it was only because of an artificial constraint placed by you. just like playing something like self found is an artificial constraint.

so the conclusion is quite simple. you made the game NOT FUN yourself by setting your goal to be 100.
the fun was always there for you to have.
yet you blame the game for it.

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grepman wrote:

100 is a goal set by you and you only

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AlbinosaurusRex wrote:

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goetzjam wrote:

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I don't see this thread as using desync deaths as an excuse to get the xp penalty removed. Its just another Good Point in the larger scale discussion of "What should we do with the XP Penalty"

Then don't use it at all in the discussion, what happens when you add well I've died to desync so I hate it too, it opens up the floodgates to arguments that don't go deep into the CORE of the discussion.

The core of the discussion should be is the current penalty acceptable for deaths, under any circumstance?

Is the current penalty fine considering desync?

The discussions should be SEPARATE instances of is this ok with this, but not ok with this. Otherwise the whole discussion turns into until desync is fixed remove penalty cause I died.

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Instead of shooting these ideas down, think about it. Also, if you dont have a character level 90, this discussion has NOTHING to do with you. I don't care if you have 50 Level 83's, you have no idea how the end game is, so really you shouldn't be in this convo.

Are you telling me to think about it, I've responded multiple times in this thread and starting reading from 1-2 comments. My profile is open, I have 2 characters level 90 and another will be really soon. This discussion has everything to do with 85+ characters, if it was only 90+ we could remove 1/2 the comments in this thread. Not sure if you were trying to call me out or if your trying to call someone else out, but next time you can check profiles (assuming they aren't blocked) so you don't look foolish.

As someone that has a level 100 character, i'd be interested in hearing how you managed to level to 100 with the current penalties, how many deaths have you faced (don't count stupid ones if you dont want to)?

There is no simple removal of desync from this discussion, because it is about suffering a death penalty when you have no choice in the matter. I know you claim to not have desync, so you probably don't know what it's like, but when you're running through clearing mobs, then something dangerous happens and you try to run away, but the game teleports you back into them (due to resyncing while you thought you got away) and you die--that's not your fault. You were doing everything you could to escape the danger.

In short, it's about both desync and death penalties. The reason the penalties are getting so much attention is because GGG refuses to do anything that would actually fix desync. Even if you agree with their stance, you have to acknowledge the wrongness of dying for something out of your control.

So, the penalty should be either a player choice in what to pay, or removal of the penalty. I honestly don't care which, but losing exp in this way is very discouraging, and there have been plenty of occasions where I just got fed up, said "fuck it," and logged (somtimes for days or weeks at a time). Lots of people have had similar experience. It's really not good for the game, and the devs should at least explore alternatives to see if there's a better way.

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SaiyanZ wrote:

Any desync/lag I used to have completely disappeared when I upgraded my internet connection from 3G to LTE four months ago. I play from South Africa with a minimum ping of 220ms as well.

No desync, even in lagfest Haku SRS missions.

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SaiyanZ wrote:

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AlbinosaurusRex wrote:

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SaiyanZ wrote:

Any desync/lag I used to have completely disappeared when I upgraded my internet connection from 3G to LTE four months ago. I play from South Africa with a minimum ping of 220ms as well.

No desync, even in lagfest Haku SRS missions.

I'm happy for you, but that isn't an option for everyone, and it doesn't change that desync still does effect an enormous portion of the player base.

I'm not trying to make this a "fix desync" thread, but it needs to be acknowledged in an honest way if there is to be any discussion about its effect in relation to death penalties. This is why so many people want to act like it's not a problem; they want to undermine the entire discussion (which doesn't work because desync IS a reality). But if it's not an issue for you, why not just exclude yourself from the discussion? It obviously doesn't apply to you, right? Obviously that isn't appropriate either, but for the opposite reason. So how about we just have an honest discussion?

I shared my experience and you probably shared yours. The reason I shared is because many people experiencing desync/lag think it is the games fault when it is actually their internet connection. It used to be so bad for me that I quit the game for 8 months last year. I thought it was mostly the games fault at the time. Started playing again in October last year after I got a new internet connection and I haven't had any desync issues. The character I started in October is almost lvl97 now. If I die due to desync I would just stop levelling but I dont have it anymore.

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SaiyanZ wrote:

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AlbinosaurusRex wrote:

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SaiyanZ wrote:

Any desync/lag I used to have completely disappeared when I upgraded my internet connection from 3G to LTE four months ago. I play from South Africa with a minimum ping of 220ms as well.

No desync, even in lagfest Haku SRS missions.

I'm happy for you, but that isn't an option for everyone, and it doesn't change that desync still does effect an enormous portion of the player base.

I'm not trying to make this a "fix desync" thread, but it needs to be acknowledged in an honest way if there is to be any discussion about its effect in relation to death penalties. This is why so many people want to act like it's not a problem; they want to undermine the entire discussion (which doesn't work because desync IS a reality). But if it's not an issue for you, why not just exclude yourself from the discussion? It obviously doesn't apply to you, right? Obviously that isn't appropriate either, but for the opposite reason. So how about we just have an honest discussion?

I shared my experience and you probably shared yours. The reason I shared is because many people experiencing desync/lag think it is the games fault when it is actually their internet connection. It used to be so bad for me that I quit the game for 8 months last year. I thought it was mostly the games fault at the time. Started playing again in October last year after I got a new internet connection and I haven't had any desync issues. The character I started in October is almost lvl97 now. If I die due to desync I would just stop levelling but I dont have it anymore.