[2.5] Tempada's Dreamfeather Lightning Flurry Raider: Acro, Alpha's/Blood Dance/QotF, 200k+ DPS

What do you think of the newly buffed Hyrri's Ire? Do you think it will replace Queen of the Forest?

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Tempada wrote:

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Bradeh wrote:

Really interested in the phyiscal version. I think the elemental version is too sprawling for me personally. I'm really liking the synergy posibilites with dex/evasion/cold, etc in 2.0

I'm looking forward to the cold interactions too. Hypothermia, Arctic Armour, Frost Blades (Flash Freeze on the tree was made for that skill)...

The only things I don't like about the phys tree are that it only passes by 1 immediate jewel node and there's no access to AoE nodes. Here's a physical tree update. No need for any block nodes, Duality is better than Swagger. The tree will be a little different for Frost Blades.

Yeah, that tree is looking good. You feel going up the Scion area is better than spending more points in the Duelist/Ranger/Shadow areas? Nodes like Celerity or Graceful Assault for example. Would nice to see more infomation about Frost blades, I'm kinda leaning towards Reave at the moment. The buff to Hyrri's Ire is looking tasty...

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TehHypocrite wrote:

What do you think of the newly buffed Hyrri's Ire? Do you think it will replace Queen of the Forest?

I like it. Far better than the old one. Will it replace QotF? It's a preference, really. I doubt it for me (I love Queen's life, resists, and, above all, movement speed), but it'll be an option for those who want an even more dodgy character.

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Bradeh wrote:

Yeah, that tree is looking good. You feel going up the Scion area is better than spending more points in the Duelist/Ranger/Shadow areas? Nodes like Celerity or Graceful Assault for example.

I think the Scion area is worth it for the life, evasion, and attack speed. I don't really know where else I'd go in the Duelist area aside from Graceful Assault or, less likely, Vitality Void or Ambidexterity.

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Tempada wrote:

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Bradeh wrote:

Yeah, that tree is looking good. You feel going up the Scion area is better than spending more points in the Duelist/Ranger/Shadow areas? Nodes like Celerity or Graceful Assault for example.

I think the Scion area is worth it for the life, evasion, and attack speed. I don't really know where else I'd go in the Duelist area aside from Graceful Assault or, less likely, Vitality Void or Ambidexterity.

Imo if you want optimize this build you should consider start as Scion for 3 more jewels.

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pijanapanda wrote:

Imo if you want optimize this build you should consider start as Scion for 3 more jewels.

In the elemental or phys build? You could start as a Scion, but I don't think it's as effective as starting as Ranger, and I wouldn't spend points on the third jewel in the south (melee physical damage doesn't do much for the elemental build and resistances can be capped with gear).

Compare this (Scion) to this (Ranger) elemental version. Same number of points, but the Ranger gets 13% increased attack speed, 36% increased evasion, +10% to all resists, and 15% increased life above what the Scion gets. The Scion gets some life/mana regen and two jewel slots. Maybe the difference isn't that big, but it gets bigger if you want to make a physical version.

What kind of path did you have in mind?

Edit: I take back some of what I said. This would be quite nice for a Scion in a mana-based build. Plenty of mana and mana regen. I'm going to have to try that... If you go Blood Magic, this is better.

will you update a version with 2.0?
i found that you can run wrath and herald of thunder and a lvl 7 clarity with a max of 900 mana and still have 180 mp left

or do you want to update it to use blood magic and vaal pact now that vaal pact is on the right side of the passive tree

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serpentine98 wrote:

will you update a version with 2.0?
i found that you can run wrath and herald of thunder and a lvl 7 clarity with a max of 900 mana and still have 180 mp left

or do you want to update it to use blood magic and vaal pact now that vaal pact is on the right side of the passive tree

I'll definitely be updating :) There will be versions for mana and Blood Magic (gem).

Wrath and Herald of Thunder are great, but you really don't want to leave out Grace once you have Dreamfeather, so the problem is mana remaining after using all three "auras" by late game (dropping even just HoT is a big hit to damage). Assuming you take your attack skill to lvl 20 now that elemental damage scales with the gem, you need to link the auras to Enlighten and stack some mana, or you need more reduced mana reserved nodes on the tree, in order to have enough mana remaining to sustain your attack. We aren't particularly close to Sovereignty, so stacking mana it is... Or we could just ignore mana completely and link Cleave/Reave to Blood Magic.

Vaal Pact keeps coming up. Why would that be used here, especially since this build doesn't have much leech? If I go Blood Magic, I'd much rather use The Blood Dance boots and get a bunch of regen (great with Blood Rage) than sacrifice regen completely for life gain on hit. I feel so naked without regen...

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Tempada wrote:

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serpentine98 wrote:

will you update a version with 2.0?
i found that you can run wrath and herald of thunder and a lvl 7 clarity with a max of 900 mana and still have 180 mp left

or do you want to update it to use blood magic and vaal pact now that vaal pact is on the right side of the passive tree

I'll definitely be updating :) There will be versions for mana and Blood Magic (gem).

Wrath and Herald of Thunder are great, but you really don't want to leave out Grace once you have Dreamfeather, so the problem is mana remaining after using all three "auras" by late game (dropping even just HoT is a big hit to damage). Assuming you take your attack skill to lvl 20 now that elemental damage scales with the gem, you need to link the auras to Enlighten and stack some mana, or you need more reduced mana reserved nodes on the tree, in order to have enough mana remaining to sustain your attack. We aren't particularly close to Sovereignty, so stacking mana it is... Or we could just ignore mana completely and link Cleave/Reave to Blood Magic.

Vaal Pact keeps coming up. Why would that be used here, especially since this build doesn't have much leech? If I go Blood Magic, I'd much rather use The Blood Dance boots and get a bunch of regen (great with Blood Rage) than sacrifice regen completely for life gain on hit. I feel so naked without regen...

I suggested vaal pact because i wanted to use blood magic and wanted to sustain it without going heavy into regen now that leech applies to all dmg
also because i dont have much time to play between school and job and thus dont have the currency to afford a alphas (and also alphas will probably be even more expensive once the nerf to blood magic comes) i saw your build when i came across a queen of the forest drop from leeching a lvl 70 map with some friends

edit: what do you think about going 2 heralds and grace as i seen many beta players go tri heralds with no alpha or enlighten and only a few reduced reserves into their tree

I don't know why you're ignoring it here, but Hyrri's Ire seems far better than Queen of the Forest now. A lot of Evasion, Flat Cold Damage, and 10% Dodge and Spell Dodge.

Can't ignore the style, either ;)

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serpentine98 wrote:

I suggested vaal pact because i wanted to use blood magic and wanted to sustain it without going heavy into regen now that leech applies to all dmg

Blood Magic sustain should be pretty simple if you use The Blood Dance boots (you can get those cheap) and the Blood Rage gem, but you can go Vaal Pact if you want. Doesn't leech only apply to all damage when you use the Life Leech gem?

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also because i dont have much time to play between school and job and thus dont have the currency to afford a alphas... what do you think about going 2 heralds and grace as i seen many beta players go tri heralds with no alpha or enlighten and only a few reduced reserves into their tree

Wrath + HoT is a huge damage boost (if you stack flat lightning damage and weapon elemental damage on gear), but sure, you could go with Grace + two 25% auras in a pinch (or maybe even Grace + Wrath). That will save you at least 3 points on the tree and you don't need Alpha's Howl.

If you use two 25% auras, go with Grace + Herald of Ice + Herald of Thunder/Arctic Armour, and instead of flat lightning damage, go with cold damage on gear and Added Cold linked to Cleave/Reave.

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CantripN wrote:

I don't know why you're ignoring it here, but Hyrri's Ire seems far better than Queen of the Forest now. A lot of Evasion, Flat Cold Damage, and 10% Dodge and Spell Dodge.

Can't ignore the style, either ;)

I love Hyrri's flavor, the flat cold damage and dodge chance are great, and the increased chill duration has synergy with Arctic Armour and Hypothermia. But spell dodge is only ok when physical damage is the real threat, dodge in general can be boosted instead by Vaal Grace (or Darkray Vectors), and there's no life or resists which is starting to get into trouble territory considering that there's no life on Alpha's Howl or Blood Dance/Darkray. [Fun fact: with a lvl 5 Enlighten (lvl 4 in a +1 to gems item), you don't necessarily need either Alpha's Howl or any mana reserved nodes on the tree to run two 50% auras and one 25% aura.]

So ultimately I think it's going to be personal preference. If I get my hands on a new Hyrri's for cheap then I'll give it a whirl, but I have a feeling I'll prefer Queen of the Forest. Gotta go fast!