A Closer Look at the New Passive Tree!

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Shagsbeard wrote:

Not at all... I'm just posting. When asked about life nodes, Chris said "What if I was to tell you that you're going to get more life per level?", or something to that effect.

That says to me that no matter what we conclude based on looking at that image, there are effects not shown to explain changes that we see. So there's really no point in basing anything on what we see yet.

Wasting time is not a bad pursuit. We all waste time. You should just be clear that what you're doing isn't going to mean much.

Indeed, and funny enough, I acknowledged that very thing by saying: "Not a whole lot, and if what Chris says about us needing to take less life nodes to get the same effect with the base life changes...could work out well." I was not basing anything in what I said other than pointing out that there could potentially be a 6% loss in life the cluster...a simple observation and my comment relating to what Chris said about life shows that I am not disliking the change. In fact, it will probably end up being a good change (assuming GGG gets the life thing right) since that means you'll gain BOTH life and mana instead of having to split up points to get both...quite a win-win in that situation.

There is plenty of merit of basing things off of what we see, so long as we CLEARLY understand that these changes thusfar are not final and can change. With that in mind, posts like the OP and mine are made not to just analyze every little thing and find flaws/dislikes/likes/whatever, but to make observations on the data we have now and spark DISCUSSIONS. It is true that those discussions may very well lead to things that will not end up being true in the end, but so what? What is so wrong with wanting to bat ideas back and forth and make visual observations?

Perhaps even in those observations we may come across something that actually may end up being a concern? Just because we might not know all of the data, GGG certainly knows more, and yet they might simply overlook something that COULD be a concern. It could be a cluster that is potentially misplaced, a notable that they may not have meant to scrap but accidentally did, etc, etc. Us bringing up these things in a DISCUSSION that they could very well end up reading in that case might make them go, "OH SHIT! We DID do <xxx> and didn't mean to, and might have missed it given how much other stuff we have on our plates! Better change it now!" Now, I'm not saying this is going to happen, but it's something to consider, and you shouldn't be so quick to dismiss these types of posts and discussions just because you personally find them to be a 'waste of time' from your perspective alone.

Again, from my perspective, you're wasting your time trying to state 'obvious' things, and it's just as valid in my eyes as what you're saying. What I and others do here in these kinds of topics may very well not mean much in the end, or it could very well mean quite a bit depending on what happens in the future. Just as the changes are not final and could change, there may very well be things about the tree that ARE done and ready to go, and we may end up observing and talking about those even if we don't realize it from what we have.

Carry on. It's amusing you.

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Shagsbeard wrote:

Carry on. It's amusing you.

Indeed, I very much will. ^_^

*smooches*

Good job sir.

You know how there's guys who go "GGG never listens!!!!!"...

The week after they added the trap nodes to the tree, I made a dedicated Trap character that made use of them to test them out. I noted how the wide strung-out positioning made the dedicated trap nodes kind of a dumb thing to use exclusively. They were fine, but only if they were near your primary damage source. Which was Fire% for Fire Trap, Lightning or Projectile% for Lightning Trap... but using say Lightning Trap and Fire Trap on the same character was inherently weaker than focusing. You still had a fire damage guy or a physical damage guy like any other wizard.

Now Clever Construction and High Explosives are in a closed fork cluster. If trap nodes are now exclusive to Shadow and Ranger, and her trap nodes are just as efficient, it'll be a very reasonable character to make now. Just saying.

Maybe Totem nodes have a little more chutzpah added to them, too.

(Opie I think the nodes next to Elemental Domination are still Spell Damage%. It seems like they want to open options up a little more, at least at the start, instead of forcing a linear element.)

I'm curious what this means for EK's future, with all the new Elemental Damage nodes instead of Spell Damage.

Might be Witch-only now, or back to Scion.

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CantripN wrote:

I'm curious what this means for EK's future, with all the new Elemental Damage nodes instead of Spell Damage.

Might be Witch-only now, or back to Scion.

The Physical Damage nodes at the Shadow starting location will affect EK. It's also likely that the unknown green nodes involve Projectile Damage in some way.

I find myself wondering if those ES nodes at the witch start might actually be hybrid life/ES nodes in the same way that the marauder gets hybrid life/armour nodes to start with. The colour is off for something that includes life, but maybe they don't have a hybrid life/ES icon yet.

(Granted, mixing life and ES is heresy, I know I know)

Moving Hex Master and Whispers of Doom so far apart looks like a bit of an indirect nerf to curse specialists, since now you have to spread out a bit to get both of them instead of anyone close enough to the cluster with points to spare being able to pick them up. Curse effect nodes would be nice, though!

...And you know what, I still want a +20 Str/+20 Dex notable in the middle of the starting witch tree.

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Tanakeah wrote:

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Shagsbeard wrote:

You're wasting your time. You're analyzing a 1.2.0 tree with 1.1.5 mechanics. More is changing than simply the tree. No harm is done, and it looks like you're enjoying the time spent, but you've no basis to understand the consequences of your hypotheses.

I am analyzing a tree with what I can visibly see in terms of changes that have been done to it, and most of my observations have little to do with these so called '1.1.5' mechanics as you so hastily put them. I would question that given the tone of your post you're trying to either subtly insult me and others like the OP and trying to claim some superior position because you somehow 'understand' that this is a 'waste of time'. Yet, when we actually sit down and look at it, the only one that has wasted their time here is you, and also made yourself look more foolish than you usually do with most of your posts on this forum.

I have made very little so called 'hypotheses' and have instead made only observations based on the data that I have been given and have heard from the developers...head developer Chris Wilson. The only things that could even remotely be seen as 'hypotheses' would be things like: my concerns about the ES nodes at the Witch starting area, the Written in Blood comment, potential for a new LL node, and some of the crit dagger nodes being removed. But yet again, most of those are based solely off of the visual data given by GGG in this screenshot and the only ones that could be even closely made to be a 'hypothesis' is the ES node concerns I have, AND EVEN THEN I clearly acknowledged that GGG might very well be making changes to make leveling with ES more attractive than it currently is.

In fact, in all of those supposed 'hypotheses' I have said that it is very likely that other changes are being made along with just the visual ones to the tree, and mechanics that GGG hasn't yet mentioned, or they have but haven't gone into greater detail because there might be more to them as part of the bigger picture. So with all of that said, I can only conclude that you are making these posts to not only waste your own time, but to try and make yourself sound superior and snarky to puff up your own ego, or some other form of self-worth that I may not be in-tune with on your end. Sadly, in the end, it has only succeeded in (once again) wasting your time and making yourself look more foolish than normal and that you have rather poor comprehension in terms of reading functionality and skills.

Don't feed the trolls, Tana. Good analysis.

Thx for the effort meridin.

I just hope my built doesnt get nerfed unintentially. I use daggers and i understand the slight nerf to the daggernodes but the rest of my built isnt op :p
If they increase the number of nodes needed to travel to my keystones and daggernodes to much i can start selling my gear. Guess one needs to be a bit lucky.