[2.1 Ghazzy - Summoner Guides] Low Budget Builds

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Ghazzy wrote:

Due to the inability of scaling damage over time or chaos damage to the minions (since they do not recieve anything non-minion related from the skilltree) It is therefor better to scale their damage straight of the bat focusing on physical approach to scale the poison damage if you now want to use Poison in that playstyle.

Hope it helped! :)

Actually the way poison works, unspecified minion damage modifiers like "increased minion damage" double-dip attack and chaos degeneration of poison as it does with players when using "increased damage" or "trap damage" like the poison trapper build does, the AI is a problem, but poison as it works now would get a lot of damage.

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Faustooctavo wrote:

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Ghazzy wrote:

Due to the inability of scaling damage over time or chaos damage to the minions (since they do not recieve anything non-minion related from the skilltree) It is therefor better to scale their damage straight of the bat focusing on physical approach to scale the poison damage if you now want to use Poison in that playstyle.

Hope it helped! :)

Actually the way poison works, unspecified minion damage modifiers like "increased minion damage" double-dip attack and chaos degeneration of poison as it does with players when using "increased damage" or "trap damage" like the poison trapper build does, the AI is a problem, but poison as it works now would get a lot of damage.

That is true, but without being able to scale it properly we have to rely on comparing poisons damage output vs the damage output we get from other support gems.

I believe it will come down to a calculation of where the softcap of using "x" support gem vs Poison in terms of how much Minion Damage modifiers we need before Poison goes above thanks to the doubledipping. You also have to remember that its a degen effect.

Ultimately, scaling the poison itself is stupid by the means of support gems or so with the focus of making the degen effect superior, it will never happen. However, scaling damage in a way to make the degen really good due to its heavy initial hit and the doubledipping effect, simmilar to the Physical Bladefall build I am trying to make kill Uber currently on stream in talisman Hardcore league (Poison support gem but focusing 100% on Physical and/or Spell Damage focus).

Hello ghazzy,
Thanks for the update.
I have a few more questions for you. :

- what is the difference between life srs and low life srs in terms of damage output ? No one was able to answer me correctly so far but they all claims low life is better. All I see is that it is alpha owl versus more aura effect nodes.

- I am playing in talisman softcore but my character is mostly designed to survive while doing t12+ rots. I am currently running with 5k3 life, 4% life regen and around 40% block with the unique granite flask. I was wondering if it shouldn’t be better with the evade cluster near the ranger start and switching all 4% life nodes into eva/life node. With grace instead of haste, I should have evade attack/spell (which works well with my vaal grace) and I hope I will have at least 45% evade with grace alone (but in alpha owl and with the aura effect nodes). It will allow me to tank a bit while casting srs.

Here is my tree : https://www.pathofexile.com/fullscreen-passive-skill-tree/AAAAAwMBAO4C4wPuBAcHpRQgFm8XLxhWGYoajxzcHRQdqh2-Hxgo-ipNLJws6S2oM4c1kjpYOuE8LT8nQYdFnUZxSbJKyEtXTLNN41BHUUxR-1NSVcZV1lqRXsBfP1-wZOdodGqsa9tuqm87b554DXloe8N9W4CkghCCx4MJg1-DzIPbhMWFYIaziFqKr48aj0aQEZitmuCboZu1plenCKh9qW6qxKxHrJixkLXytz64k76AwBrA48EEwzrEWMpKzLzNFtAf0_vYvdpi37DhiONq6-7siu8O7-vxs_JF9kj22vfX-ej60vsJ_gr-jw==

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Ghazzy wrote:

I got a nice alphas with minion damage rolled for sale in std :D

I wish I could buy it, but I hate trading in this game...and avoid it like the plague unless I absolutely have too, thus I am poor as a result! Everything I do is usually done on my own, just think the way trading is set up in this game is kind of archaic, annoying, and basic for no reason at all other than to put paranoid people at ease when it comes to making something more simplistic in nature. And GGGs response to the obvious problem is just to stick with the already formed poe.trade, and just allow them more access to information or whatever....something I find very depressing, solves literally none of the issues with the current trading platform!

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vitto369 wrote:

Hello ghazzy,
Thanks for the update.
I have a few more questions for you. :

- what is the difference between life srs and low life srs in terms of damage output ? No one was able to answer me correctly so far but they all claims low life is better. All I see is that it is alpha owl versus more aura effect nodes.

- I am playing in talisman softcore but my character is mostly designed to survive while doing t12+ rots. I am currently running with 5k3 life, 4% life regen and around 40% block with the unique granite flask. I was wondering if it shouldn’t be better with the evade cluster near the ranger start and switching all 4% life nodes into eva/life node. With grace instead of haste, I should have evade attack/spell (which works well with my vaal grace) and I hope I will have at least 45% evade with grace alone (but in alpha owl and with the aura effect nodes). It will allow me to tank a bit while casting srs.

Here is my tree : https://www.pathofexile.com/fullscreen-passive-skill-tree/AAAAAwMBAO4C4wPuBAcHpRQgFm8XLxhWGYoajxzcHRQdqh2-Hxgo-ipNLJws6S2oM4c1kjpYOuE8LT8nQYdFnUZxSbJKyEtXTLNN41BHUUxR-1NSVcZV1lqRXsBfP1-wZOdodGqsa9tuqm87b554DXloe8N9W4CkghCCx4MJg1-DzIPbhMWFYIaziFqKr48aj0aQEZitmuCboZu1plenCKh9qW6qxKxHrJixkLXytz64k76AwBrA48EEwzrEWMpKzLzNFtAf0_vYvdpi37DhiONq6-7siu8O7-vxs_JF9kj22vfX-ej60vsJ_gr-jw==

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Tank a bit? You shouldn't have to tank, given the proper dps...you should destroy everything in maps within 1 or 2 sec tops, 3 sec for a mediocre build. Only thing that even test out limits is Uber, and that can be pulled off so I am told, as long as you get a feel for the AI "please GGG revert us back, fuck you're new AI!" lol

Low life and life versions really don't matter for dps, as long as same aura's are used their dps output would be the same, also considering same supports...

I run a life version with PoH, Belly of the Beast, and Alpha's howl
5.2k Life
20% chance to evade
Granite Flask with ironskin mod for armour
9 Jewels for 254% Minion Dmg Mod on SRS, 201% cast speed Mod.
In Alpha's Howl > Hatred + Anger on Generosity, Haste by itself
Clarity Outside of the Alpha's Howl, and I don't use wrath so they can benefit from the EE effect.


21/20 SRS > Minion Dmg > lvl3 Empower "4 soon hopefully?!" > Increased Melee Phys > Culling Strike > Melee Splash > Added Fire for single target

Gear:


Jewels:


Tree, level 97:

here what i have atm. I also need an extra 4 life jewels to reach 5k+. So far, i think i still need to buy a 4% life regen amulet and a extra -8 jewel since i dont need the extra dext anymore.

''Tank a bit? You shouldn't have to tank, given the proper dps...you should destroy everything in maps within 1 or 2 sec tops, 3 sec for a mediocre build.''

well it is true if you are alone. But in a party, as it is a build with momentum, you are kinda useless because by the time you are casting 5 srs, the mob pack is already destroyed. What i am currently doing to play a bit, is going ahead of the 5 other players, tank for like 2-3 sec while casting srs. And for that i need the extra life regen and i feel like i would be better with 45%eva and 80%dodge (with vaal grace) instead of 40% block and 40%dodge.
This build only shine when the map mods area really hard (which happens only 1/10 of the time) or on hard rare mobs/bosses.

''Low life and life versions really don't matter for dps, as long as same aura's are used their dps output would be the same, also considering same supports...''


yeah, that's what i am thinking too now.

thanks for feedback anyway,

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Hey guys, sorry for the newb question, tried to find an answer but probably missed it:

would I be able to use the first build with IIR/IIQ gear to be a MF char in TSC? Kinda don't want to build 2 summoners and thought I could use this for both purposes.

Thanks for the help :)

Hey guys,

Due to limited time i will just state a very important detail of all SRS focused builds:

SRS Focused builds are designed to: "Kill things before they touch you" sort of a glasscannon build the lowlife version (high budget) is. There are ways of making the build more resilient via more eHP which can be done in several ways but I would not recommend focusing skilltree points towards defensive stats unless its actual eHP gain or jewel slots for more damage with defensive mods on as well.

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Neviskio wrote:

Hey guys, sorry for the newb question, tried to find an answer but probably missed it:

would I be able to use the first build with IIR/IIQ gear to be a MF char in TSC? Kinda don't want to build 2 summoners and thought I could use this for both purposes.

Thanks for the help :)

I'd recommend the 3 keystone Zoomancer for MF version playstyles :)

@Ghazzy :Yeah that s the point Ghazzy, i have to turn it into something tankier to make it to 100. Also where is the fun if i just copy/paste the build?

The most important thing here is to survive, not dealing damage. Because even with 300K dps, there are monsters that will always hit you.

"Kill things before they touch you" i really hate that kind of sentence because it is so irrelevant. While playing alone almost 99% of builds kill everything before they touch you... In a 6 men party like 80% of the time it is always the case. But in the remaining 20%, you struggle really hard when you encounter mobs with extra resist and hitting hard. And when you do so, glass canon just die in 2 hits if maps mods are really hard.
Well you know all that, i did a few rots back in the days when u made your level 100.



So far i am doing good with 45%evade (grace instead of haste), dual vaal grace and the granite unique flask (=40block chance) and 5k+ hp and tons of life regen, i think will stick to that until 98-99.

@Neviskio: i am running a similar build in standard.
https://www.pathofexile.com/passive-skill-tree/AAAAAwYAA-4EBwSzDXwPqxVQFm8WvxbzFy8YPBhWGYoajxzcHRQdqh2-JIskqiY8JpUo-ipTL50y0TOHNZI26TpYPydBh0VHRXxFnUZxSshMs025UilTUlVLVcZV1lXgV8lYWlltWpFewF8qX5hfsGHiZOdqrGvbbqpvnnC7dFV7w3_GgKSCx4MJg9uExYVgiFqKr4w2jxqPRpARkyeXl5rgm6GbtaEvogCnCKh9qsSsmLJwtAy0OLXytz64k70nvorAZsHFwzrKSsrTzLzPMtP72L3a3eGI42rlGeq66-7sGOyK9tr31_no-tL7Cfv1_go=


it works pretty well even if not optimized. I solo clear maps up to 79 with it (not doing hardest bosses though).

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I always tell people to do their version of what ever build guide they are following. That way they'll end up with a build better suited for their personal preference :)

As you know, i kept my glasscannon style in 6man rotations as well, on the other hand that character was also beyond retardedly geared. I remember surviving that 9k Ice Nova crit from a box >,<