[2.1 Ghazzy - Summoner Guides] Low Budget Builds

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Arachnan wrote:

Hello Ghazzy,

Loving your guides and the diversity between them! :)

That diversity is however killing me atm, as I cannot decide between the SRS hybrid and 6 keystone summoner.

What do you recommend, keeping end-game mapping in mind?
Is the more traditional "zoomancer" type summoner still viable for mid to end-game mapping or should I just continue to play the SRS hybrid build? I haven't found a decent 5l with the right sockets yet, so I can't fully test both builds, but I would like your thoughts before I invest in either.

I love the pick-up-and-play style of SRS, but I have always loved playing true zoomancers in D2 aswell (even though in PoE they require some specific setting up)

Zoomancer feels to be the better version for higher end game maps in my opinion.
However, with the recent zombie changes a lot has been changed and i believe they both are on par with eachother in the current patch! (Refering to both versions of Keystone summoner)
The Hybrid SRS will always remain to be super strong and a life based version of it might prove smoother with the new mana cost per second of the current patch.


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Thread will undergo an update check this weekend to make sure there are no complications for the current patch!

Thanks Ghazzy! Sadly I died to a malechai smash during a lagspike, so I have to start all over again :(
Going to play a different spec, but sure enjoyed your build up to lvl 61!

Talisman update check: DONE!

for the 6 keystone summoner
Isn't it better to use Controled Destruction instead of Lightning Penetration?

The tree for summon raging spirits is kinda wierd, is it updated?

Has anyone tested using Knitted Horrors with minion damage/Physical Projectile Attack Damage/poison/rapid decay as main source of damage?

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Faustooctavo wrote:

for the 6 keystone summoner
Isn't it better to use Controled Destruction instead of Lightning Penetration?

God damnit, i knew i had missed something >.<
That + Fire penetration in the Flame Sentinel play is also updated, thank you for noticing this fast!

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Faustooctavo wrote:

Has anyone tested using Knitted Horrors with minion damage/Physical Projectile Attack Damage/poison/rapid decay as main source of damage?

Hey,

Knitted Horrors AI is sadly horrible which is why it isn't worth using Bloodlust for any minions either. The problem with their AI is that they do not attack consistently when in combat, they have a tendacy to run around "dodging the fight" instead of actively fighting like the Sentinels and/or the Stygian Revenants.
Due to the inability of scaling damage over time or chaos damage to the minions (since they do not recieve anything non-minion related from the skilltree) It is therefor better to scale their damage straight of the bat focusing on physical approach to scale the poison damage if you now want to use Poison in that playstyle.

Hope it helped! :)

Hi i ripd my mf flame totem on hc talisman, was thinking of going abck to this character which is like lvl 60. I was on your stream a while back and u recommended me to go the 3 keystone zoomancer if i was gonna do mf. One thing i dont realy get tho is why we dont use styg revenants over flame sentinels in this build aswell? Is it cause of anger beeing better for srs? but if so is it realy that much better? Since i feel flame sentinelös take up so much screen focuse cluttering things up even more than srs already do. Alsow stygs beeing the overall better spectre both damage and survivability wise as i have come to presume, and slightly experienced myself before my friend ripd his character and we both rerolld to lvl together.

alsow slight suggestion for a need of added information regarding your unique suggetsions. most people find it super bad to play bones of ullr late game on hc, which might confuse people (including me for a while), using em as end game items in hc, while following your build. Its not made very clear that (if that is what you intended) that the items is only for one of your provided builds on the page, and strictly for softcore.

Thanks for making guides, it's a sweet thing.

ps jhust remembred. Heard on a stream from some1 worth listening to, cant remember who, Said that "Femurs of the Saints Primordial Staff" should be a superior staff atm for i think specificly summoners using multiple minions and not just srs. But alsow they talkd soemthing about it beeing bugd atm tho so not usuable as of this verry moment. Any thoughts on this?

Finally got a lvl 21/20 SRS gem, overpaid I believe by trading a lvl4 enlighten for it, but I didn't need it so it was whatever! lol ...All I need now is a lvl4 empower...which I am working on, got 3 almost leveled, gonna pray to the rng gods, if not level more I guess! :(

Not sure what else I can do to min/max, at 254% minion dmg mod on srs, can try collecting multiple alphas howls and pray for minion dmg corruption, can't really pick up any more jewels uless I get to 100 which would yield me 10 instead of 9! I am running +2 lvl haste, hatred, and Anger...running a different support setup than you are suggesting.

I have tried you're suggestion and to me it feels off. Of course I was running in PoH > SRS, Empower, Culling Strike, Minion Dmg, Added Chaos, Melee Splash, would switch out Splash for multi on Atzari, and to me doing 10 runs with that, and 10 runs with my current setup it seamed slower to me, maybe I am mistaken, as I am going off my gut feeling. I couldn't run with multi and splash at same time, I tried, even with my 10% reduced from jewels and 278 mana regen! I suspect you would need at least 25% via jewels, and im not interested in the elreon jewelry, if I had eternals and exalts maybe, but doubt I would get anything close to my current rings without em! Both my rings have high life, high mana regen, and loaded with resist which I need! lol

I currently running in PoH > SRS, Empower, Culling Strike, Minion dmg, Increased Melee Phys, Melee Splash, switch out splash for added fire....and to me it's stronger, but like I said could be wrong, id do the math but my ass slept in math class! lol

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PumpFIST wrote:

Hi i ripd my mf flame totem on hc talisman, was thinking of going abck to this character which is like lvl 60. I was on your stream a while back and u recommended me to go the 3 keystone zoomancer if i was gonna do mf. One thing i dont realy get tho is why we dont use styg revenants over flame sentinels in this build aswell? Is it cause of anger beeing better for srs? but if so is it realy that much better? Since i feel flame sentinelös take up so much screen focuse cluttering things up even more than srs already do. Alsow stygs beeing the overall better spectre both damage and survivability wise as i have come to presume, and slightly experienced myself before my friend ripd his character and we both rerolld to lvl together.

alsow slight suggestion for a need of added information regarding your unique suggetsions. most people find it super bad to play bones of ullr late game on hc, which might confuse people (including me for a while), using em as end game items in hc, while following your build. Its not made very clear that (if that is what you intended) that the items is only for one of your provided builds on the page, and strictly for softcore.

Thanks for making guides, it's a sweet thing.

ps jhust remembred. Heard on a stream from some1 worth listening to, cant remember who, Said that "Femurs of the Saints Primordial Staff" should be a superior staff atm for i think specificly summoners using multiple minions and not just srs. But alsow they talkd soemthing about it beeing bugd atm tho so not usuable as of this verry moment. Any thoughts on this?

Hey,

So sorry to hear about the rip bro :/
Reason i chose Flame Sentinels is that applying anger will scale their DPS as well as your SRS and still allows you to run EE which Stygian Revenants does not in the same approach. Also, Flame Sentinels are doing more damage when in a 4L. It's only at 5L+ they scale above in damage, however, it is up to you how you prefer to play. If you do not plan on using EE in your build then Stygian Revenants would be optimal to use.

I felt that they are alright for both builds in end-game, but are more focused towards the 6 Keystone summoner as it focuses on Zombies & Spectres to do the damage. Generally, it's a decision the player has to chose himself. I am personally a fan of the item even in Hardcore for the 6 Keystone but would probably change it late game for 3 Keystone when it comes to Hardcore.



Regarding: Femur of the Saints.
I believe it was I who said that as well. The staff is superior to almost all summoner builds but the pure SRS versions, who would much rather use PoH or +3 staff.
However, the regeneration effect created by the SRS ammount is severly bugged causing issues with latency spikes which makes the best build to use this staff for imo: 3 Keystone Zoomancer a complete disaster item to use til they fix the bug.



I hope my insight and response helped you out bro! :)

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justinmm1988 wrote:

Finally got a lvl 21/20 SRS gem, overpaid I believe by trading a lvl4 enlighten for it, but I didn't need it so it was whatever! lol ...All I need now is a lvl4 empower...which I am working on, got 3 almost leveled, gonna pray to the rng gods, if not level more I guess! :(

Not sure what else I can do to min/max, at 254% minion dmg mod on srs, can try collecting multiple alphas howls and pray for minion dmg corruption, can't really pick up any more jewels uless I get to 100 which would yield me 10 instead of 9! I am running +2 lvl haste, hatred, and Anger...running a different support setup than you are suggesting.

I have tried you're suggestion and to me it feels off. Of course I was running in PoH > SRS, Empower, Culling Strike, Minion Dmg, Added Chaos, Melee Splash, would switch out Splash for multi on Atzari, and to me doing 10 runs with that, and 10 runs with my current setup it seamed slower to me, maybe I am mistaken, as I am going off my gut feeling. I couldn't run with multi and splash at same time, I tried, even with my 10% reduced from jewels and 278 mana regen! I suspect you would need at least 25% via jewels, and im not interested in the elreon jewelry, if I had eternals and exalts maybe, but doubt I would get anything close to my current rings without em! Both my rings have high life, high mana regen, and loaded with resist which I need! lol

I currently running in PoH > SRS, Empower, Culling Strike, Minion dmg, Increased Melee Phys, Melee Splash, switch out splash for added fire....and to me it's stronger, but like I said could be wrong, id do the math but my ass slept in math class! lol

Hey,

Awesome bro!
Ahh... the long lonely walk to Empower lvl 4...
I got a nice alphas with minion damage rolled for sale in std :D


When it comes to the gem supports, its a matter of balance between sustaining the mana cost and minmaxing the DPS, cause if you minmax the DPS but cant sustain the mana cost you get far less damage output.
This patch is all about sustaining the cost of the spirits.

Melee Physical is a very strong support gem and should be above Added Chaos, however, sustaining the mana cost is an issue even with added chaos. And even with Elreon jeweleries so in the end you're gonna have to decide what is easiest to sustain for your gear.