Snapshotting

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Xasrai wrote:

No, I understood exactly what you are saying

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Xasrai wrote:

rather than switching out ITEMS, you are talking about switching out gems. By switching out support gems, you are getting a net benefit of gems and versatility that isn't available to any other gem type in the game. Tell me how that's fair?

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Exile009 wrote:

You want a diversity of spectres? How bout some REAL diversity by, you know, summoning several different spectres

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robmafia wrote:

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Xasrai wrote:

No, I understood exactly what you are saying

wrong.

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Xasrai wrote:

rather than switching out ITEMS, you are talking about switching out gems. By switching out support gems, you are getting a net benefit of gems and versatility that isn't available to any other gem type in the game. Tell me how that's fair?

WHAT "net benefit" of gems?!

READ my posts.

given a 6L, each spectre gets 5 passive gems to use. no matter which way you look at it, there would be a net total of 20 gems/5 per spectre. there is no net gain. 5=5. 20=20. either way, one will have the same amount of spectres with the same amount of support gems.

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Xasrai wrote:

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Klimentiy wrote:

May I answer?

He is talking about build diversity. The game would be more exciting if one could have various spectres instead of being forced into having only same ones. Changing gems allows for spectre diversity, simple as that.

Hi. First thing, I agree that this will see a decrease in the 'diversity' of peoples spectres at any given point in time. My point was whether gem juggling was fair, when compared to any other build, which cannot benefit from this technique.

Basically, for spectres, people want to have their cake and eat it too. No other build allows me to have a degen aura and an impenetrable shield (as an example) at the low cost of a single Gem in a 4/5/6L.

I don't get to have both my single target DPS double strike and my AOE double strike equipped in the same 6L item. Why should summoners get that option with spectres?

Edit: Spacing

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Mark_GGG wrote:

Snapshotting is a bit of a lose-lose mechanic. Players using it have to go through tedious setup to make their builds work, time they should be spending slaying monsters and having fun. Players who don't use snapshotting often feel they are underpowered by comparison. They're usually right.

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Klimentiy wrote:

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Xasrai wrote:

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Klimentiy wrote:

May I answer?

He is talking about build diversity. The game would be more exciting if one could have various spectres instead of being forced into having only same ones. Changing gems allows for spectre diversity, simple as that.

Hi. First thing, I agree that this will see a decrease in the 'diversity' of peoples spectres at any given point in time. My point was whether gem juggling was fair, when compared to any other build, which cannot benefit from this technique.

Basically, for spectres, people want to have their cake and eat it too. No other build allows me to have a degen aura and an impenetrable shield (as an example) at the low cost of a single Gem in a 4/5/6L.

I don't get to have both my single target DPS double strike and my AOE double strike equipped in the same 6L item. Why should summoners get that option with spectres?

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Yeah you definitely have a point here. I have to agree with you. But from diversity point of view, end game summoners will have a harder time and more mundane game-play being forced into having only one type of spectres at a time.

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Xasrai wrote:

When I use Double Strike, I benefit from one set of support gems. To benefit from another set, I must remove unneeded support gems and replace them with others, thus losing the benefit of the original gems. I don't get to have my "AOE double strike right-click" and my "Single-target double strike middle-click" using only a single 6L item. Your spectres don't lose those benefits, and thus have a 'net benefit' from changing and stacking support gems that I can't do. It's obviously not what GGG want, and they are taking steps to change it. Deal with it.

Edit: To reiterate, what you want isn't fair for the majority of players who don't get these same benefits. It may suck for minion 'diversity', but it was always an unintended consequence of the snapshotting mechanic that they have wanted to fix for months.

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Mark_GGG wrote:

Snapshotting is a bit of a lose-lose mechanic. Players using it have to go through tedious setup to make their builds work, time they should be spending slaying monsters and having fun. Players who don't use snapshotting often feel they are underpowered by comparison. They're usually right.

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Xasrai wrote:

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Klimentiy wrote:

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Xasrai wrote:

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Hi. First thing, I agree that this will see a decrease in the 'diversity' of peoples spectres at any given point in time. My point was whether gem juggling was fair, when compared to any other build, which cannot benefit from this technique.

Basically, for spectres, people want to have their cake and eat it too. No other build allows me to have a degen aura and an impenetrable shield (as an example) at the low cost of a single Gem in a 4/5/6L.

I don't get to have both my single target DPS double strike and my AOE double strike equipped in the same 6L item. Why should summoners get that option with spectres?

Edit: Spacing

Yeah you definitely have a point here. I have to agree with you. But from diversity point of view, end game summoners will have a harder time and more mundane game-play being forced into having only one type of spectres at a time.

I agree on the diversity point. Obviously GGG have taken their time to determine exactly the results of making these changes. In this case, making one change for the greater good brings about an unfortunate situation of reducing the diversity of used spectres at a single time. Let's be honest, though, Summoners used to have it worse. At one point only Flame Sentinels were considered to be good enough to use as Spectres anyway, due to their timid AI. They just didn't have enough tools at their disposal to actually make the difference. Things are quite positive in general for summoners compared to back then.