Shockingly strong flamethrower build (Incinerate + Three Dragons)

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tonytaxi666 wrote:

Congrats on the build of the week!

I run a similar build with Fireball + LMP + dragon fireball effect. Looks cool cause I can shoot three dragons while using the three dragons unique helm. It does allow me to shock bosses for a very short time, doesn't really stack shocks though. Probably doesn't do as much damage as incinerate but it's a good for support because I can shock higher health enemies from a safe distance for my party members to do added damage.

I also use spell totem + fireball + lmp + elemental proliferation for stacking shocks quickly on mobs. And if a boss has some adds the proliferation will shock the boss for a good amount of time.

I will have to try the flame totem, sounds like a good idea. I'm so far away from that +5% chance to freeze node though =(.

question: Does Cybils paw give life gain to totems?

first off: thanks bada_bing you always provide really nice information and solutions :)

Then thanks to you tonytaxi666 for your insight and sharing your build :)
I have to admit that im not very sure on the cybil's paw and life gain on totems. My instincts say no, but I really have no idea :)

Maybe someone else can answer that question with some actual proof :D

Im lvl 23 so far with this build in invasion. It was mentioned in the build of the week vid that single target dps such as bosses and survivability for HC leagues is questionable. That said, is anyone else running this or something similar and how have you adjusted for hc leagues and higher single target dmg? Thanks in advance.

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TheSniz wrote:

Im lvl 23 so far with this build in invasion. It was mentioned in the build of the week vid that single target dps such as bosses and survivability for HC leagues is questionable. That said, is anyone else running this or something similar and how have you adjusted for hc leagues and higher single target dmg? Thanks in advance.

there is nothing wrong with single target DPS (as you can see in one of the vids, i kill merveil necropolis lvl 75 in about 10 seconds).
However dps on the very very highest bosses is a bit too low (this is for dominus lvl 78 map or atziri)

The easiest way to make this build tankier is to remove the damage nodes from my tree, and take the life nodes in the scion/marauder tree. Furthermore several people have suggest some alterations in the last few pages that you might want to consider

nice writeup, reminds me of the dps from the scion incinerate MOM AA tank build. Dps does not seem very high but then again i'm a standard League troll so for all other Leagues i'm sure it is fine.

Nice job using that mask. I found it and thought something could be done with it then promptly forgot all about it. I'm glad someone else didn't. :)

Hi, I am having a lot of fun with this build.
I got the general idea from your build and changed it up a little bit which I think is stronger.

So basically, the changes I've made after trying your build:
- Using Cloak of Defiance Chest (for Mind over Matter)
- Take the Aura nodes on top left tree and right side of witch tree
- Using a 4L Tempest Shield with life leech for more sustain and dps (i have 60% spell block, and those fire dogs does zero damage to me and it heals me insane)
- Changed the CoDT set up
- I don't use Fire totemes (I think they are very weak, dies in 1-2 hits)

This is my gear


Skill Setup


passive tree (lv74):


Offence
I think the actual DPS I do is around 20k, I don't exactly know but I think the dps for this build is actually good


Defence


Auras:


I hope you can feature my review in your guide.

And btw, I need to upgrade my weapon.
I think using Doryani's Catalyst instead of Cybil's Paw will give you more DPS and leech. I haven't test it out yet but what do you think?

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magicalvin wrote:

Hi, I am having a lot of fun with this build.
I got the general idea from your build and changed it up a little bit which I think is stronger.

So basically, the changes I've made after trying your build:
- Using Cloak of Defiance Chest (for Mind over Matter)
- Take the Aura nodes on top left tree and right side of witch tree
- Using a 4L Tempest Shield with life leech for more sustain and dps (i have 60% spell block, and those fire dogs does zero damage to me and it heals me insane)
- Changed the CoDT set up
- I don't use Fire totemes (I think they are very weak, dies in 1-2 hits)

This is my gear

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Skill Setup

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5L: Incinerate + Added Lightning Damage + Faster Casting + Fire Penetration + LMP

Auras: Reduced Mana + Discipline + Clarity

4L Tempest Shield: Tempest Shield + Added Lightning Damage + Life Leech + Reduced Mana

Movement: Lightning Wrap + Reduced Duration + Faster Casting

CoDT: Codt + Immortal Call + Enduring Cry + Molten Shell

3L weapon: Arctic Armor + Elemental Weakness + Increased Area Affect

passive tree (lv74):

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https://www.pathofexile.com/passive-skill-tree/AAAAAgMAAuMEswVbB2MHpQj0EZYUTRbzFy8ZhRoyGmwdFB8CJDwkqiY8J6koxSlPLJwtHy9vL50xiDbFNtg26USrRtdJG0lRSbJMNVFgVa5VxlXWVytabV3GYG1k52e9bRlwfXC7c1N5A35Zf8aApIIQgh6Cm4M4h2WLjI9Gj6aboZwtnYCiAKKjpwinXKmVr7e1BMBUwfPPZdDQ2CTZE9rd2wvd89-w4XPjauQi7DjtIO5v8B_zvvPd-tI=

Offence
I think the actual DPS I do is around 20k, I don't exactly know but I think the dps for this build is actually good

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Defence

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Auras:

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I chose Discipline, Arctic Armor, Clarity and a 4-linked Tempest Shield(TS+Reduced mana+life leech+added lightning damage)
I find the character very squishy that is why I use discipline, it gives me a lot more mana so that I can use my Mind Over Matter chest which I thought it makes more sense, since we have so much mana already from EB, why not use MoM?

I also took the aura nodes from the top left and the right hand side of the witch tree,
with all 4 auras on, i managed to have 800 mana left(out of 2570 mana)

I hope you can feature my review in your guide.

And btw, I need to upgrade my weapon.
I think using Doryani's Catalyst instead of Cybil's Paw will give you more DPS and leech. I haven't test it out yet but what do you think?

Thanks for giving your input, and taking the time to elucidate the similarities and changes of your build.

I think there are alot of points I have to address so ill try go by them one by one.

- Take the Aura nodes on top left tree and right side of witch tree
yes this is certainly possible, the increased effect of buffs is certainly good. However I think the 'increase radius' as well as the 'reduced mana reserved' are fairly useless. Usually, the importance in the reduced mana reserved is the fact that you can take an additional aura, which here is not the case. You could also think about 'inner force'

- Using a 4L Tempest Shield with life leech for more sustain and dps (i have 60% spell block, and those fire dogs does zero damage to me and it heals me insane)

Yes this is something I heard more often and certainly seems viable. The reason I didnt link anything to my tempest shield is the fact that I didnt have any item left with free spots. But ofcourse, with a good block/spell block chance this is a good idea. And obviously, the dogs also dont do any damage due to AA (as they just use incinerate)

- I don't use Fire totemes (I think they are very weak, dies in 1-2 hits)

The damage output of fire totems in absurdly high. The fact they might die in 1-2 hits for you could be that they arent high level. With a 20% Q, lvl 20 fire totem, they survive long enough for sure.

your gear
The main issue with your gear might be the neck. I would really advise taking a corrupted 4% block, or (as Bassie let me know ingame) a '1% fire damage leeched as life' corruption works wonders too

passive tree
Your passive tree seems completely fine, i have also played around with influence and sovereignity. Taking the 2x20% manaregen near the shadow tree might be something u really need

I find the character very squishy that is why I use discipline, it gives me a lot more mana so that I can use my Mind Over Matter chest which I thought it makes more sense, since we have so much mana already from EB, why not use MoM?

Yes, i swapped out Haste aura for discipline too. Because I also wanna try changing ALD for ACD (which is 150% multiplier). Personally I dont use MoM because when you go out of mana you stop casting, and you lose your stacks. However, on this page bada_bing posted a nice solution with using the unique flask, which will prevent you from stopping the cast. Another issue with the chest might be lack of max life, armor and resistance. However the mana and mana regen is very nice (would get me above 400% mana regen for sure). I will certainly give this chest a go, but the flask is a must.

I think using Doryani's Catalyst instead of Cybil's Paw will give you more DPS and leech. I haven't test it out yet but what do you think?

This is an interesting suggestion which I hadnt considered yet and nobody mentioned so far.
The damage seems nice for sure. The two downsides I see when I look at it at a glance are:
- lots of useless stats on it (phys damage, global crit chance, attack speed). And it has a bit lower cast speed than cybil
- life leech vs life on hit. I personally think with 10 cast/second in LMP, that LOH is better than lifeleech. Ill try get my hands on a 1% fire damage leech neck in order to see how good the effect of 1% lifeleech actually is

thanks for using my build and good luck! :)

do i need a quality added lightning damage? and can i use rainbowstride with this build?

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fortunate1220 wrote:

do i need a quality added lightning damage? and can i use rainbowstride with this build?

there's not really a reason to use added lightning if its not quality (then better use added chaos). The entire idea behind the 20% Q added lightning is that it provides an additional 10% shock chance. Using added chaos is competely fine also (although I havent personally tested this)

I think rainbowstride is fine, however it lacks max life, which is a shame. If you use too many uniques, this can have a severe impact on your total maximum life

please post a video showing how often a monster shatters due to the 5% freeze node near shadow start, i think this would show people if its worth it

also anyone using flammability, elemental weakness is far superior especially if you have added lightning damage/cold damage linked to incinerate as it reduces their resistances to all your damage not just the fire ;)

The only thing i have trouble with atm is hard hitting bosses and corrupting blood if not noticed quikcly but otherwise solid build

gear - updated


found the amulet and rings in stash also the 5 link chest seemed good for this build thats why i threw it together, best dps ive had on any build before

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still trying to find a 4% corrupted lazhwar and get a 6 link arm/es chest with life