IDEAS for Passive Skill Tree Reset
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Hi guys,
(First of all, why am i making this thread? How can people be OK with this mechanic? How have devs not fixed this pain ? ) I started playing PoE when it was alpha i think? im not even sure anymore, but anyways, i played it for some time and just started about a week back. I Noticed many changes and additions which is great stuff, and been seeing a lot of activity around PoE, which is good as well. But the Passive Skill tree still works in the same flawed, inefficient way as it always has. The skill tree is like this huge place for you to explore and try out different builds, different combinations etc,............... BUT WAIT! You can't ! Because if you are a person who's new to the game, you play play, yes, reached lv 10, great stuff. You spend the skill points on the closest stuff you like, stuff which gives you something good right now.(BELIEVE ME, nobody is gonna be pro at this tree day 1). After a few days, you reach level 30, great pies, mmhmm tastes good. Stuff is pretty handy-dandy. Oh wow you finish the game on normal mode? wow grats, the boss was pretty fun, wasn't it? yeah, feeling like you got a good tree growin'? oh yeah that's great. Oooh looky, Cruel mode !!! wow this is gonna be challenging, lets go into it. Ok, aced act 1 and 2, pretty fast with groups, and portals.... portals everywhere :V. Oh look its Act 3. Let's go farm. OH LOOK YOU KEEP DYING, AND YOU DIE, AND ALL YOUR EXP THAT YOU SOMEHOW GOT, IS GONE TOO hUEHUe!! Play in a group all the time, you say? A Player should not be "forced"/"suggested" to play the game in a certain way that he/she does not please. SIMPLY BECAUSE THEY PUT THE DAMN TALENT POINTS IN THE WRONG PLACE !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! GUYSS!!! PLEASEEEEEEE WHY DO WE HAVE TO ROLL A NEW CHARACTER JUST BECAUSE A MISTAKE WAS MADE AT LEVEL 3 and took the wrong turn,lel You make us disconnect from our first characters, by making them unplayable, because a new enthusiastic guy felt like spending a point on chaos inoculation, because it sounded cool and intimidating.. or that Blood magic ? I bet RIGHT NOW, as we type and read, there are Thousands of high level characters Just lying there like a dead horse.I Personally stopped playing because i turned my guy's HP to 1 and didnt wanna reroll again, INVOLUNTARILY..... :''''''''''''(. Now there aren't enough passive reset stones available with EQUAL Value of time Spent/ Wasted in Skill reset points. YOU MIGHT NOT GET ENOUGH IN IN A MONTH ! and What now? We have to farm for days just to FIX A MIS-CLICK? No est mucho fairo :(((((..... PLEASE GUYS : either try a system that allows you to RESET the tree AT LEAST every month or so. Like this, if you make a mistake, AT LEAST YOUR CHARACTER ISN'T GONE FOREVER, and can be Fixed in some time... Or, Allow us to buy a FULL TREE RESET, For a NOT RETARTEDLY IMPOSSIBLE TO FARM ITEM :D form a new vendor. YOU CAN ALSO ADD ----- A QUEST ----- which introduces the NEW NPC :D:D:D:D:D. how bout it ? AND ONCE AGAIN, PLEASE DO NOT ACT LIKE THOSE WANNA BE TOUGH GUYS WHO SAY THIS IS GOOD AND IS A FUN INCREASE IN DIFFICULTY. BECAUSE ALL IT IS, IS AN UNWANTED DETAIL in a player's game life. Something they want to be gone every second. and IF you want it so bad, Why Don't They just MAKE IT OPTIONAL TO Have a character with reset available or one without. anywhoooo, lemme know your thoughts :D. This thread has been automatically archived. Replies are disabled.
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" "Prior planning prevents piss poor performance." If a player does not plan their character, they will fall and they will hit that wall. It is their problem and their mistake. GGG included Orbs of Regret for a reason, and obtaining fifty (50) of them is not a difficult task. There are plenty of forumers and threads about farming on here. People who want to reset their tree can easily search for these threads... ..oh, wait, these people don't do their own work because they are not willing to do so. They are the ones who make brand new threads asking questions like: "What best build?", "Which is the best farming build?", and "Can't kill <enemy> in <area> help!" And then people flood the forum with help and flames. Edit: Just to clarify, I used the number fifty because that's about when people have trouble and QQ about it on the forums instead of researching just about anything. Last edited by Natharias#4684 on Feb 14, 2014, 11:17:42 PM
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one should not expect every person to properly and fully know what skill to get at level 75 when the monsters they are fighting are ones they havent even seen, whether to get something for fire or chaos.
And TO this day, people still Roll new characters because they screwed up. yes, also the hardcore ones. Punish people thinking its "right", and people leave(like i did). and for Exploiting Resets to build for a specific run, eTc etc, they can just put a weekly limit on single reset. You Should not Expect people to Know Enough to not make ANY mistakes in the Tree, In the FIRST WEEK of playing. BUT YOu Should Expect them to Become 40 +, which is around 56ish POints Spent. Now only around a dozen can be respecced with books. and this limits to the last dozen points spent, because you cant fix something from before the amount of the respec points. and if someone is crying about it on forums, the ones who praise this mechanic and call them whiners are being delusional. Because they suffered so much and now suddenly they can stop everyone else from going through the same crap, but they don't want it to happen. And no i am not gonna reroll a character because the game has a crap mechanic in place which punishes you for nothing else, just simply misplacing a skill point. I will just stop playing again, if my character becomes unable to survive merciless only because of decisions i made in normal not knowing what would happen ahead, because it's not about being a whiny baby. It's about not wanting to waste hours over something that can be fixed by implementing a simple normal fix to it. That is why people who realise how wasteful this thing is, usually stop playing. or limit to stupid Generic builds, where they look at videos and copy paste. BECAUSE YOU GONNA LOSE YOUR CHARACTER AGAIN, lel.//. THERE GOES THE SIZE OF THE TREE AND 'biggest customization options' because I SURE COULD JUST Stick to some guy's Super Easy mode build. Or i could Try making my own, which i did, and now i need to fix something, and im not gonna make a new character just to do that. no. nonnononono. Im gonna be honest. I enjoy this game. Really fun. I hate the Passive Skill tree reset system. Which Doesn't let me play the game because my character will die in 2 shots. So, i'll probably stop playing till a fix comes up, or not. I lose nothing. Its all for GGG. Shit escalates quickly up in here. |
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If people want it to be even more hardcore and hard and difficult at the same time Lets make everyone Find 500 Items of a kind ( can be farmed with right info) which will be available on a single space bag, which after collecting 500 of, you click the stack, and 5 of brutis will appear and you must kill them, after killing all 5, an item will drop, clicking this item will allow you to access your inventory for 10 seconds.
You must make quick decisions on what to pick and what to throw, socket, arrange, etc. Because IT is even MORE HARDCORER ! and all the wussies can just gfts :D. |
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I think it's a very good idea to have a full-reset availaible every month or something near that :D. And it's very true that not screwing up a passive tree is quite hard, as even for me who's very experienced, it has been a chore perfecting it...
Luckily I found a program to plan my skill tree ahead of time (here ), and I have the time to plan it, because some people have jobs and they can't pass like 10 hours planning their chars before they can finally enjoy the game... And my skill tree planner is quite more practical than what they give you on the website, even if it's a very good start ;). Also I don't see how it isn't hard to get 50 regrets orbs, so if you could enligthen me... |
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Another Thing : I can STILL Play with my current level 50 items, and messed up Passive TREE.
You know how ? ILL just sit on the side, not go close, let everyone else do the work. Is that how you want me to play this game? because that's what i did tha past 2 FUCKING hours in the dock. Because i get 2 shotted. THIS WOULD NOT HAVE HAPPENED to anyone had they fixed it before. thanks for such a "hardcore" and challenging System, as claimed by some tough guys. Sorry, i cant handle it when there's an obvious solution and people just don't wanna use it, and just be stuck with the old crap because they were fed it. |
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" ooo sweet, Thanks a lot for the link, i downloaded it just now, will check how it works, and true, once a month isn't bad at all i think. So at least, if you screw up, you can fix the character in a month and play again. Meanwhile you can play with another character. At least its not a perma fked character, right ? :P |
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" And all the previous quotes (don't want to quote them)... It is all true if the game IS new. When everybody is "testing things" or such. But, sorry, this game is (at least) 1 YEAR old already. There are tons of guides, builds, info, tree-plannners, etc. So yes, it's only player's fault (due to lazyness, stubborness or anything else) if he "screw up" the first character now. I can understand "insufficient" equipment on first character, but not the build. Not now, when there are a lot of info\builds to choose from. What? You want to "make my own build"? Again - it's your own choice, and don't be surprised if this character will be awful =) So please, stop trying to find excuse for illogical actions Remember, suffering is convenient.
That is why many people prefer it. Happiness requires effort. |
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" But why does the age of a game matter to its systems and implementations ? they are changed every time everywhere. League of legends keep changing despite being maybe around 5 years old. Because they understand what to do to make their game better. This system is neutral to some and hinders the others form the game. IT DOESN'T DO ANYTHING GOOD. no It doesn't. no it doesn't make you play smarter, or anything. you actually become stuck to rigid planning of skills because you don't wanna get whacked with a dick, lol... If i walk into an enemy, and die to him, knowingly. it's my fault. When you give a gun to a baby, and he shoots someone, because he didn't know what it did or how it worked, maybe himself. you gonna blame the kid? thing is, accidents happen. Being ignorant towards a person's view of an object, by shrugging off their opinion as laziness or noobiness or anything. Again your answer comes down to guides and sites with how to handle passive tree. I am gonna do it by myself. I AM MEANT TO MAKE MISTAKES. and THATS how they punish me? By GIVING my the option of Rerolling, because the other crappy option of collecting a thousand balls of respeccing is an EVEN BIGGER waste of time. You are forcing people to DIRECTLY or INDIRECTLY, WASTE TIME. thats it. Its a waste of time, no manly "its your fault suck it up, go look at guides", not for me. |
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Rolling new chars like you did it in D2 before they introduced the skill reset is the whole point of how the tree works.
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