Lioneye's Glare - Why an offensive bow?

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torturo wrote:

A person cannot use buckler or whatever shield with a missile weapon,because he cannot reload the weapon

You ever even fired a bow? You use one hand to reload.
And it's *gasp* the hand that doesn't have the shield on it.

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torturo wrote:

Xendran,what are you trying to tell with that post.An archer doesn't use a shield.Never.Not in this world.Only a retard could try to combine shield wit a bow.And it will fail.What's your point.Even in a computer game it's an absurd,that's why you'll never see it.
There were few exceptions in war history,like tagmatas,where a heavy geared soldier had to use bow as an exception,and these guys never pulled the bow with the shield on their right hand,but with shields on the ground.
You say you do sports archery,tell me how can you pull a 50-70kg. war bow tension while holding a shield.Wtf retarded post.

1. Many many archers used leather shields
2. It's been done in videogames many times.
3. Shield on gripping hand, not pulling hand. If you think you're going to use a shield on your main hand, you're a dumbass.
4. Retarded post? I don't see you posting anything constructive here.

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Imagine LA onehander with a shield.He could get max block,completely ignoring evasion and armor,manipulating ele dmg boost to beat shit of it all.No txs.

Imagine FP onehander with a shield. He coudl get max block, completely ignoring evasion and armor, manipulating ele dmg boosts to beat shit of it all.


Also, it must be nice having all of the information about the exact numbers that GGG would use if they implemented this, so that you 100% know that it would be overpowered before it's even been talked about by GGG.

Or at least i assume you have all this information, or else you wouldn't be making claims about something being overpowered despite the fact that there are no numbers on it whatsoever.

Which were these archers that used "leather shields",which is nonsense and don't exist in nature,just in some primitive societies and provide no defence at all.
A man can't pull a bow wearing a shield on any of his hands.But I'm sure you can.
I know it's a computer game and it's full of ill minded nolifers,but there should be any limits.

please just continue to nerf lioneyes

the accuracy changes were a good start

KEEP GOING.

NERF NERF NERF NERF NERF

retarded fucking overpowered bow is both retarded and overpowered.

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tikitaki wrote:

please just continue to nerf lioneyes

the accuracy changes were a good start

KEEP GOING.

NERF NERF NERF NERF NERF

retarded fucking overpowered bow is both retarded and overpowered.

Actually, this could potentially be a buff to the bow, just not offensively.
A defensive bow. Something we don't really have yet.

Also, tempest shield.

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A man can't pull a bow wearing a shield on any of his hands.But I'm sure you can.

Only if the shield is too heavy for you to lift your arm.
All your shield arm is doing is holding the bow. It's not even possible to nock an arrow with two hands unless you set the bow down and hold it against the ground with your foot. (unless you have 3+ hands)

Left hand holding bow shaft.
Left arm with shield strapped to it. Vertically and on your arm, not in the way of the bow.
Right hand nocks and fires arrows.

It's not that complicated. As long as you're strong enough to hold the shield and bow up, you're good to go.

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Which were these archers that used "leather shields",which is nonsense and don't exist in nature,just in some primitive societies and provide no defence at all.

1. The majority of wraeclast is VERY primitive
2. It would only provide no defence if you have no fucking idea how to use a shield. Which apparently you don't.

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I know it's a computer game and it's full of ill minded nolifers,but there should be any limits.

Welp, i wish you luck in getting anybody to take you seriously after saying that.

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Xendran wrote:

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Lord_of_Error wrote:

Since I no longer use it, I don't really care, but to me the change would still be strange and totally random.

How is it totally random that while using the unique bow of an archer that uses a shield, you can use a shield too?

Mostly I just don't get why you want to change LG that way. Would piss off lots of it's users probably (you have to build totally different), when you just could put the shield-property on another base that has no unique version yet.

"Lioneye has a bow, Lioneye has a shield" is just not enough reasoning for me for such a drastic change to an item. Maybe Lioneye used his bow on distance, and went for spear + shield in melee? (€dit: The statue in Marketplace named after him uses this combo.)

Crossbowmen can wear a shield, but the attack speed is lower than have archers.

why dont you spend 1000 to make a niche low dps bow instead of ruining one of the most iconic items in all of poe.

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Nephalim wrote:

why dont you spend 1000 to make a niche low dps bow instead of ruining one of the most iconic items in all of poe.

It has to be "ruined" (or better: balanced) somehow. Just use an indexer of your choice and search for phys dps or dps alone, it's always LG on top. As icing on the cake you get a huge amount of mana and it removes any need for accuracy. At least the recent change to the reflect mechanic made that last point double-edged when using evasion (you can't evade reflect when using LG, with other bows you even benefit from Ondar's Guile), but for armour (or IR) users, it still is absolutely BiS.
And no, I'm not jelly, but I like to have choices on my item slots.

That being sad, I also think that the proposed changes by Xendran aren't the right way for Lioneye's Glare, would result in a totally different item. Imo the Rainbowstride boots are even worse in terms of balance, but that's another story.

Lioneye was quite the renaissance man. He had a bow, a shield, and a town. Legend has it he used all 3 at the same time.

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PolarisOrbit wrote:

Lioneye was quite the renaissance man. He had a bow, a shield, and a town. Legend has it he used all 3 at the same time.

Since were following lore, can we get a skill gem that summons and drops the entirety of lionseye on some poor helpless mobs? some comical sound effects would be nice too.