Fix ES its obviously overtuned

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LaiTash#6276 wrote:

Player one has 4500 hp with huge insvetment.
Player two has 24000 ES + 1000 hp.

A silverfist on t16 slams player one for 6000 hp. His 20 000 armour reduces this number by 25%, leaving 4500 damage. Player one is dead.

Player two tanks 4 slams but he's dumb so takes another one and dies.

Both players dead.

Game's perfectly fair and balanced.

Player 3 with 12000 ES & 90% Evasion wants to join the chat .

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Ashyev#5110 wrote:

Player 3 with 12000 ES & 90% Evasion wants to join the chat .

SSF, lvl 94.
1k HP, 6k ES, and I don't know what you are talking about.

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LeadRaven#6291 wrote:

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Ashyev#5110 wrote:

Player 3 with 12000 ES & 90% Evasion wants to join the chat .

SSF, lvl 94.
1k HP, 6k ES, and I don't know what you are talking about.

Ever heard of Monk with Meditate ?

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Tumulten#3988 wrote:

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LaiTash#6276 wrote:

Player one has 4500 hp with huge investment.
Player two has 24000 ES + 1000 hp.

A silverfist on t16 slams player one for 6000 hp. His 20 000 armour reduces this number by 25%, leaving 4500 damage. Player one is dead.

24,000 ES and that is not a huge investment?
Also I see players have 8,000+ life so that huge life investment is not that high.

20,000 armor vs a 6,000 hit is 40% mitigation leaving 2,400 damage.

Not even sure I have seen anything hit for 6,000 in a single hit tho. (except special bosses stuff meant to 1 shot anyone)

I literally had 18k ES on HCSSF, with grim feast ofc. Never had 8k life. In a trade league 12k ES / 24 with grim feast isn't that hard to achieve. And those special bosses may be meant to 1 shot anyone, but they don't.

should just remove all es nodes from tree, fixed

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Tumulten#3988 wrote:

ES has different pros and cons compared to life.
It does not by default affect your ailment and stun threshold.
You take double damage against chaos.
You don't have the same recovery options as life and instead have to avoid getting hit for a long time to recharge it.

On the other side it gives some benefits like being immune to bleed and easier to get higher value than life to offset the long recovery time.

Are we playing the same game?

I am not sure what you are playing, but it doesn't seem to be POE 2.

My witch has 12k ES, and energy shield starts recharging almost immediately.
(like 1.5 sec downtime or so?)

The regen is ~4k ES / second.

What are you playing man, tell me?
Are we talking about the same game here?

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Ashyev#5110 wrote:

Ever heard of Monk with Meditate ?

The energy shield and mana can be overflowed with spirit gems also.

And while Mana Remnants is "kind-of" situational, Grim Feast feels very good for the investment of 30 spirit on many ES based characters.

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Ashyev#5110 wrote:

Player 3 with 12000 ES & 90% Evasion wants to join the chat .

This here is the real problem.
You nail it.

It is the combination of ES and evasion (especially with Acrobatics) that makes you immortal.

It is not the brutal EHP that that ES provides, it is the fact that you never have to use it at first place, when combined with evasion.

Wind Dancer being OVER TUNED does not make the situation better.

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EightInchFloppyDisk#2190 wrote:

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Ashyev#5110 wrote:

Ever heard of Monk with Meditate ?

The energy shield and mana can be overflowed with spirit gems also.

And while Mana Remnants is "kind-of" situational, Grim Feast feels very good for the investment of 30 spirit on many ES based characters.

Yeah sure , Grim Remnants is the best for speed Mapping but Meditate is better in every other situation and doesn't cost any Spirit . If you play Invoker & got your 8 Ascendency points at hand , i find Grim Remnants not interesting ... unless you want to use Eternal Youth lol .

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EightInchFloppyDisk#2190 wrote:

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Ashyev#5110 wrote:

Player 3 with 12000 ES & 90% Evasion wants to join the chat .

This here is the real problem.
You nail it.

It is the combination of ES and evasion (especially with Acrobatics) that makes you immortal.

It is not the brutal EHP that that ES provides, it is the fact that you never have to use it at first place, when combined with evasion.

Wind Dancer being OVER TUNED does not make the situation better.

I wouldn't call anything in this game invincible lol
DoT are brutal and can murder any Monk even with Heartstopper ( i'm not even sure if that keystone is working ) , Wind Dancer is great only if you had very high Evasion to begin with , as for Acrobatics it lower your Evasion by so much your ES will get solicited way too often imo .

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EightInchFloppyDisk#2190 wrote:

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Ashyev#5110 wrote:

Player 3 with 12000 ES & 90% Evasion wants to join the chat .

This here is the real problem.
You nail it.

It is the combination of ES and evasion (especially with Acrobatics) that makes you immortal.

It is not the brutal EHP that that ES provides, it is the fact that you never have to use it at first place, when combined with evasion.

Wind Dancer being OVER TUNED does not make the situation better.

It is the raw value as well

Grim needs to be nuked from orbit as well as tree balancing you shouldn’t be getting so much ehp on one side of the tree to the point you can briskly walk/stand in mechanics


Es is broken in its current state everyone is aware of this