The "Beggar" Meta

This reads like a throwback to D2 where people try to pull an item when you hit trade. Hope they fix SSF soon.

I've had plenty of people trying to brute force or bully a discount on me in 1 but nothing in 2 yet

I don't gel with the personality type required to do this tbh but I just block and move on

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Nihility656#1968 wrote:

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SunnyRay#1519 wrote:

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Nihility656#1968 wrote:

I know there's a large influx of players that are new to POE and that trade etiquette does take a little bit of time to learn, but i'm starting to get a bit bitter with trading man. Finding myself being rude when I never was in the past, and have no intention to.

I know the economy is fubar'd 17 different ways and it's hard on us all, but damn man. I never once thought that trade was the thing that started to make me dislike POE.

Does it happen with less sought after items too?

There are 4 types of players:
- Who already has a well-rolled Ingenuity. They don't message sellers.
- Who is actually buying one. They message 1 person 1 time. Unless they are buying and corrupting all of them, but that's still 1 message per belt.
- Who can't afford it (yet). That's the majority. Most don't message sellers, but if even a tiny fraction is desperate enough, that's still a lot. What's important, they message all the sellers, potentially multiple times.
- Who tries to profit by any means. Assertive and cheeky, just like "real-life" frauds. It could be their 18th way to fubar the economy. They message everyone multiple times too.

In short, my guess is 1% of people make 99% of noise.

It's a solid 85-90% of ALL trades, and i'm pretty much selling, crafting, and flipping constantly. I think rares have a lot more wiggle room for negotiation, versus a very established and sought after unique, which is why I leaned into the ingenuity example so hard.

100% SSF player here, just casually browsing forums out of boredom.

Let me get this straight, you are someone who flipps items but takes a moral stance against people who make silly offers.

You made my day, thanks for a good laugh!

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QticaX#4168 wrote:

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Nihility656#1968 wrote:

I suppose I'm only really posting this to vent, but the current state of trade is one of the most frustrating experiences I have had in POE. I have thousands upon thousands of hours in POE 1, and typically always have a very strong trade strategy.

In POE 2 though, 90% of my sales are either people asking for an extreme discount, or straight up scamming.

I'm not talking about a 5 div rare chest and someone offers 4, i'm talking max rolled ingenuities that are ~40div, and people *spamming* me offering 20, however it's not just that they offer 20, it's that they send the trade message. Wait for a party invite, have me leave whatever it is i'm doing, open trade, then either offer a lesser amount, or straight up just put a less amount in the trade window and hope I accept it. This is compounded further by the amount of players who have tried to give me alcs for items, then once i cancel trade, block me and leave.

On top of all of that, people are starting to actually swear and rage at me for *not* giving them a discount. What?

I know there's a large influx of players that are new to POE and that trade etiquette does take a little bit of time to learn, but i'm starting to get a bit bitter with trading man. Finding myself being rude when I never was in the past, and have no intention to.

I know the economy is fubar'd 17 different ways and it's hard on us all, but damn man. I never once thought that trade was the thing that started to make me dislike POE.

If anyone sends me a party invite after spamming me messages to trade they go to the ignore list.
If they tell me to come to them.. you guessed it they go to the ignore list.
If the items is listed for 50.5d and they put 50c and 50ex they go to the ignore list.

As a matter of fact, If they come to my hideout and look at me wrong.. they go to ignore list.

I do not tolerate self-entitled people, scammers or demanding people.
You respect the unwritten code of POE trade or you get ignored by me.

based

none of your gear is worth one div let alone 5. Start pricing your trash as exaults and you might have an argument.

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Dëad_Goat#4128 wrote:

none of your gear is worth one div let alone 5. Start pricing your trash as exaults and you might have an argument.

I feel like anyone that has never had a character above level 90 isn't the most reliable source to quantify value of gear.

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6_din_49#4066 wrote:

Actual value relative to what? Other listings? Then buy from the others!

Spoiler

Ah, wait, the "cheaper" ones are not responding?

In last several days, I got the same experience as OP - people message me, I invite them to party, then once I'm in HO (yes, they wait for me there), they ask if I can sell the item for 30%-40% of the listed price. Eventually someone offers the full price, but for that to happen, I need to endure quite a few "fake" buyers. Probably I'll start adding them to ignore list at some point.

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QticaX#4168 wrote:

Someone who hates a free economic market playing a player-to-player free market.

Clearly, people who blow you up means your item is under priced.
So if I get 15 people messaging me in 5 seconds that item is over priced?

Clever.. very smart.

lmfao.

Relative to the item, and its actual bloody value.

When looking up an item on the trade site, the prices you see in the listings sitting there for you to see, are not the items value.
Those listings are still there because they set a price nobody is willing to pay. They're overcharging.
You see the overpriced listings that are left after the fair listings got bought.

If you have an item that sits there for any at all notable amount of time unsold, it's because you're overcharging.
If you post an item at fair value, at a reasonable price, it sells. Fast.

"I'm getting blown up I must have underpriced the item." is not a thing that kicks in getting a few whispers in a minute, it's getting 50 whispers in the first 2 seconds.
If you price an item fairly you should expect to get multiple whispers in a relatively short time, because the only way anybody manages to buy anything for a fair price is with live search on hoping to be the first whisper when a fair price is posted.

Because again, the listings you see when searching are not fair prices. The fair prices have already been bought out, only the unreasonably overcharging posts are left. Posting an item for the same price as the other listings that aren't selling; that's just asking for your item to not sell.
Or, apparently, for people fed up with waiting for a non greedy seller to post trying to talk you down to the fair price.

Items worth 1 ex listed for 5, items worth 5 ex listed for a div, items worth 1 div listed for 10.
Honestly sometimes the laughable listings you can find on the trade site feels like going to a grocery store and seeing a stick of butter tagged at $100.

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The_Song#4903 wrote:

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If you price an item fairly you should expect to get multiple whispers in a relatively short time, because the only way anybody manages to buy anything for a fair price is with live search on hoping to be the first whisper when a fair price is posted.
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That's literally the definition of UNDERPRICE in PoE. Those "fast live search" people who message you all at once are buying the item from you, to sell it more expensive.

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AkumaNoTsubasa#3919 wrote:

Welcome to Path of Exile - Trading Experience

Always has been that way.

no, its far worse this time. game is full of new people not able to trade properly, my ignore list is already full of scamming crybabies, its horrible. people are simply to stupid to trade and after that they go to the forums and cry about bad trading. people are the problem, not the system.

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Nihility656#1968 wrote:

I suppose I'm only really posting this to vent, but the current state of trade is one of the most frustrating experiences I have had in POE. I have thousands upon thousands of hours in POE 1, and typically always have a very strong trade strategy.

In POE 2 though, 90% of my sales are either people asking for an extreme discount, or straight up scamming.

I'm not talking about a 5 div rare chest and someone offers 4, i'm talking max rolled ingenuities that are ~40div, and people *spamming* me offering 20, however it's not just that they offer 20, it's that they send the trade message. Wait for a party invite, have me leave whatever it is i'm doing, open trade, then either offer a lesser amount, or straight up just put a less amount in the trade window and hope I accept it. This is compounded further by the amount of players who have tried to give me alcs for items, then once i cancel trade, block me and leave.

On top of all of that, people are starting to actually swear and rage at me for *not* giving them a discount. What?

I know there's a large influx of players that are new to POE and that trade etiquette does take a little bit of time to learn, but i'm starting to get a bit bitter with trading man. Finding myself being rude when I never was in the past, and have no intention to.

I know the economy is fubar'd 17 different ways and it's hard on us all, but damn man. I never once thought that trade was the thing that started to make me dislike POE.

This is why when I trade and make an offer on an item I list the offer right along with the trade message as so @Player Hi, I would like to buy your Plague Glisten Sapphire listed for 44 exalted in Standard (stash tab "trade"; position: left 8, top 12)>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>OFFER 40 EXALTS<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<< So the player can see my offer right along with the trade chat before they leave what or where they are. funny thing is some dummies get upset about it lol. Ive been doing this for at least 5 years now works well for the most part.