The "Beggar" Meta
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I messaged a guy who offered a b/o 2 div item and i asked if he can do 1.5. then he cancelled trade and blocked me xD.
idk the biggest item i have sold was 5 div. i think i tend to undervalue too but i havent had any people trying to scam me. but i guess that only happens if you have super premium items. still funny how gacha pilled people are that they try to an upgrade such as this at any cost. also i had a couple people ask for reasonable discounts but nothing crazy. i really dont care if i get 3 or 4 div in most situations, its usually better the item is gone. Last edited by Roquefort720xTreme#7938 on Jan 2, 2025, 9:46:22 PM
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"For 2 divines items, usually it's fine to offer 1 divine plus whatever currency you have in stash (exalts, vaals, chaos, gcps, etc), preferably to match at least 80%-90% of the listed price. If the item was listed for a long time, you might get it for 1 divine, depends on seller. But 20+ divines items usually are luxuries - you build around them only when you can afford them. You don't ask for 80% discount because you think you have a chance to get the item for the currency you have. Last edited by 6_din_49#4066 on Jan 2, 2025, 10:17:30 PM
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I utilize POE overlay to get a general sense of an items worth, typically more so for uniques than rares. I then actually sell 1d cheaper than the most reasonably cheap item.
If you think i'm over pricing a max roll, 80% ingenuity at 39 div, well, I'm not sure I can communicate how the market works to you, but let me try. As of now, king in the mist invites run around 6.5-7 div, ingenuity has somewhere between a 20-30% drop rate (more like 20% in my experience). So on average, you can expect to get one ingenuity belt, every ~5 runs. Using the low end of the price of an invite, that is 32.5 divines on average to get an ingenuity. Then, the belt has a roll range of 40-80, so not only do you need to get it to drop, but then you have a 2.5% chance to have a maximum roll on it. That barely covers the cost of the 5 runs (obviously there are various other drops that can help recoup the price). So, a highly sought after item, that is useful in pretty much every single build, at maximum roll, barely even turns a profit, and you're saying i'm over pricing it? |
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Awkward, it appears my "quote" responses haven't been working >.>
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" Does it happen with less sought after items too? There are 4 types of players: - Who already has a well-rolled Ingenuity. They don't message sellers. - Who is actually buying one. They message 1 person 1 time. Unless they are buying and corrupting all of them, but that's still 1 message per belt. - Who can't afford it (yet). That's the majority. Most don't message sellers, but if even a tiny fraction is desperate enough, that's still a lot. What's important, they message all the sellers, potentially multiple times. - Who tries to profit by any means. Assertive and cheeky, just like "real-life" frauds. It could be their 18th way to fubar the economy. They message everyone multiple times too. In short, my guess is 1% of people make 99% of noise. Last edited by SunnyRay#1519 on Jan 3, 2025, 12:28:26 AM
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" It's a solid 85-90% of ALL trades, and i'm pretty much selling, crafting, and flipping constantly. I think rares have a lot more wiggle room for negotiation, versus a very established and sought after unique, which is why I leaned into the ingenuity example so hard. |
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" Don't you farm the audience for $0? |
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"Are you saying they are free? How many do you have? |
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I always just ignored those people and moved on, this isn't new.
I got the sauce.
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Just find a belt with similar art and wait for them to put up 20 div and just throw it in and counter scam them, they will probably not see it coming since they think they are scamming you.
If you get the actual 40 div offer give them the actual belt otherwise. If it even works 1 out of 10 times thats well worth your time dealing with them. Last edited by BossOfThisGym#2062 on Jan 3, 2025, 5:07:53 AM
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