Exp loss on death topics are getting out of hand.

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ilSalvatore008#1351 wrote:

Just want to put in my two cents' worth:

You're entitled to your opinion, but the tone of this post is exactly the kind of gatekeeping that drives people away from games like Path of Exile. The idea that "if you don’t like it, go play something else" is not only dismissive but also incredibly counterproductive if the goal is to attract new players, especially from other ARPGs.

The -10% XP penalty may have existed in PoE 1, but blindly carrying it over to PoE 2 without considering whether it actually improves the game is a rigid, outdated design philosophy that ignores whether it actually benefits the game.

The argument that "it exists for a reason" does not automatically mean it’s a good reason. The reality is, it disproportionately punishes casual and mid-core players far more than experienced players, and if the goal is to grow the community, then alienating those players with outdated mechanics is a bad move.

As for the claim that this game has "way fewer one-shot situations", that’s great—until you realize that the penalty actively discourages learning from mistakes. A game that prides itself on difficulty should make failure a learning experience, not a tedious punishment that simply wastes a player's time. The more hours you sink into an ARPG, the less of an issue this becomes, but not everyone has the luxury of no-lifing the game to mitigate a mechanic that serves no real purpose other than punishing imperfection.

And let’s be real—this isn’t about preserving some sacred PoE challenge. It’s about elitism. The idea that "I suffered through it, so you should too" is the classic gatekeeping mentality that keeps genres from evolving. A well-designed game should accommodate different playstyles without forcing everyone into a single mold, and clinging to a rigid "one-size-fits-all" punishment does nothing but shrink the potential player base.

At the end of the day, the argument isn’t about removing difficulty—it’s about refining it. A penalty that turns failure into frustration rather than a meaningful learning experience is bad game design, no matter how long it’s been around. If PoE 2 wants to bring in new players, it needs to rethink outdated mechanics instead of stubbornly defending them just because "that’s how it’s always been."

For the record, when you kick someone while they're down it does not make them any less of a person, it makes you the lesser person.

Lastly, a small jab every now and then (5% to 10% max loss per 10 avoidable deaths, etc.) is a wakeup call to improve or reassess, but being hit constantly by this penalty for every time you die is an insult and is quite demoralising.

Telling casual and mid-core players to 'go play something else' is exactly the kind of toxic hostility that has no place in a community that should be welcoming and encouraging to new players.

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ilSalvatore008#1351 wrote:

Just want to put in my two cents' worth:

You're entitled to your opinion, but the tone of this post is exactly the kind of gatekeeping that drives people away from games like Path of Exile. The idea that "if you don’t like it, go play something else" is not only dismissive but also incredibly counterproductive if the goal is to attract new players, especially from other ARPGs.

The -10% XP penalty may have existed in PoE 1, but blindly carrying it over to PoE 2 without considering whether it actually improves the game is a rigid, outdated design philosophy that ignores whether it actually benefits the game.

The argument that "it exists for a reason" does not automatically mean it’s a good reason. The reality is, it disproportionately punishes casual and mid-core players far more than experienced players, and if the goal is to grow the community, then alienating those players with outdated mechanics is a bad move.

As for the claim that this game has "way fewer one-shot situations", that’s great—until you realize that the penalty actively discourages learning from mistakes. A game that prides itself on difficulty should make failure a learning experience, not a tedious punishment that simply wastes a player's time. The more hours you sink into an ARPG, the less of an issue this becomes, but not everyone has the luxury of no-lifing the game to mitigate a mechanic that serves no real purpose other than punishing imperfection.

And let’s be real—this isn’t about preserving some sacred PoE challenge. It’s about elitism. The idea that "I suffered through it, so you should too" is the classic gatekeeping mentality that keeps genres from evolving. A well-designed game should accommodate different playstyles without forcing everyone into a single mold, and clinging to a rigid "one-size-fits-all" punishment does nothing but shrink the potential player base.

At the end of the day, the argument isn’t about removing difficulty—it’s about refining it. A penalty that turns failure into frustration rather than a meaningful learning experience is bad game design, no matter how long it’s been around. If PoE 2 wants to bring in new players, it needs to rethink outdated mechanics instead of stubbornly defending them just because "that’s how it’s always been."

For the record, when you kick someone while they're down it does not make them any less of a person, it makes you the lesser person.

Lastly, a small jab every now and then (5% to 10% max loss per 10 avoidable deaths, etc.) is a wakeup call to improve or reassess, but being hit constantly by this penalty for every time you die is an insult and is quite demoralising.

Telling casual and mid-core players to 'go play something else' is exactly the kind of toxic hostility that has no place in a community that should be welcoming and encouraging to new players.

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DutchMilk#4689 wrote:

Yea and the numbers of trolls on this forum actively dismiss everyone who has just critics of the game, is growing.

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Zoltun_Kulle0#0494 wrote:

It's not about the 10% loss of experience, that's fine with me, as it was with poe 1. What's annoying is losing 10% experience, losing ALL the bonuses, mechanics, etc. on the map, in addition to only having 1 portal . This should be removed from the game. Only the loss of experience should continue.

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Sakanabi#6664 wrote:

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DutchMilk#4689 wrote:

Yea and the numbers of trolls on this forum actively dismiss everyone who has just critics of the game, is growing.

Yeah, because only critic opinions are valid. Obviously.

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DutchMilk#4689 wrote:

Keep talking. People like you always run at the first sight of failure. Seen it so many times in other failed games. The trolls are detached from reality because they like trolling.
But when reality hits, they are the first to run and act as if they are not directly involved.

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dwqrf#0717 wrote:

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DutchMilk#4689 wrote:

Keep talking. People like you always run at the first sight of failure. Seen it so many times in other failed games. The trolls are detached from reality because they like trolling.
But when reality hits, they are the first to run and act as if they are not directly involved.

But... Aren't you the kind of person that keeps dying and blame the game's design for it and threaten to quit and to sue GGG because of it ? And the devs should listen to you ? Ah !

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DutchMilk#4689 wrote:

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dwqrf#0717 wrote:

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DutchMilk#4689 wrote:

Keep talking. People like you always run at the first sight of failure. Seen it so many times in other failed games. The trolls are detached from reality because they like trolling.
But when reality hits, they are the first to run and act as if they are not directly involved.

But... Aren't you the kind of person that keeps dying and blame the game's design for it and threaten to quit and to sue GGG because of it ? And the devs should listen to you ? Ah !

HAHAHA. What a load of nonsense. The design is fatally flawed. Even Jonathan admitted himself. Go watch his interview on directing resources to Path of Exile 2.

They are not listening to me, they are listening to money. Money spoke. There are more customers who are sick of the issues than the minority trolls like you.

You have no place in this forum if you contribute nothing critically. What are you even on when you said the game is good? When it is obviously super bad? Stand your ground and debate and not troll like a child.

The game is in a bad shape which is the reason why they pull the carpet out of Path of Exile 1. That backfired and it is extremely funny to see that.

You are a troll for a long time.