Exp loss on death topics are getting out of hand.

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TheFriggenBest#6781 wrote:

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clarebunny440#7952 wrote:

Isn't that the dev's perspective, though, that players would consider 100 to be done, so the penalty is designed to lengthen the process?

I mean, I don't know that of course, but why else have the penalty? The core game loop for an ARPG is power creep - you bash things, you get shinies, sometimes they'll be an upgrade for you, and round and round you go until you can beat the most difficult content in the game easily with the rarest, most OP stuff you can find. You want levels for all of your skills - but is max level an achievement in that model really? It seems to be in this one.

I got to 90 on my witch today and am not intending to aim for 100 but just to take more risks with the existing content. But in principle, I am against taking something away from the player (exp) that was earned fairly prior to the content they died in. Its purpose seems to exist merely to lengthen what is already a longer and longer exp curve.

I would assume it is the developer perspective, even still, if you can reach 100 with gear that in no way let's you be able to clear the end game bosses and actually survive just because you stay there grinding and dying with bad gear one could say you shouldnt considered yourself "finished" at reaching 100 anyway.

Reaching 100 requires you to be able to get gear to actually survive the content. Getting there in low tier gear that you die with every other map in no way constitutes "finishing" the game. So reaching the max level with bad gear because there's no exp penalty seems the opposite of what would make sense for 100 being the "end" of the game. Getting to 100 would require you to be at a point you can successfully clear the most difficult content and bosses so that would be fully juiced t16 and all bosses at difficulty +4, and if you are strong enough to do that believe me you aren't on here complaining about exp loss.

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clarebunny440#7952 wrote:

Dying and having to redo content without any tower buffs and a new waystone is its own penalty. I'm still of the opinion that I don't mind losing exp, the waystone and the tower modifiers as long as it is only the map exp that is being removed from the player. I don't see the logic in taking away the exp from previous content that the player has cleared successfully.

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iMirageX#4580 wrote:

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fnsonin#2863 wrote:

POE2 is supposed to be GGG and Tencent's break out game for a larger audience. Well, the larger audience is speaking and they do not like -10% experience loss on death, one portal maps, long runbacks to bosses, and sudden non telegraphed deaths.
Compare this to Elden Ring/Dark Souls:
1. your "experience" is on the ground waiting for you to pick it up
2. You are never locked out from a boss fight
3. Elden Ring got rid of long run backs and was the best selling souls game of all time
4. I always knew how and why I died in Dark Souls/Elden Ring.

If GGG/Tencent wants to have a large audience and play with the big boys, then they will make a game that most people enjoy and not a beat for beat homage to a 20 year old game that has now obvious flaws compared to modern ARPGs.

This is early access, what GGG does to fix the endgame will determine the ultimate size of the player base they want to have.

The vast majority of players are not having fun in the endgame.

While I kinda sympathize with your other points, what do you mean play with the big boys? Do they even need to do that? Its funny I keep seeing people utter "play with the big boys" when in reality, POE 2 already surpassed those supposedly "Big boys".

Vast majority of players aren't having fun. Where is your concrete data?

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immdev#2462 wrote:

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iMirageX#4580 wrote:

Let's be perfectly honest here, POE 2 has way less, YES, WAY LESS one shot situation compared to the astronomically, plenty of situation you can be one shot in POE 1.

I played PoE1 exclusively on ruthless and I can say you are wrong. I also can't even say what exactly killed me half of the time in PoE2.

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Kodesai#9259 wrote:

Let me tell you my perspective. I have been stuck at 79 for over a week. I died 5x back to back to back today and lost half a level of experience and countless hours of grinding. I am not a hardcore player, but I have spent over a hundred hours in the game due to the gameplay being fun. Today was the final straw. After the 5th death and subsequent loss of experience, I deleted all of my characters, deleted everything in my bank, deleted all the crafting materials and stuff I had saved up for subsequent playthroughs, deleted the game, and walked away. I doubt very seriously I'll ever return at this point. The frustration was too much. But I guarantee beyond a shadow of doubt that I'll never return to the game unless this trash mechanic is removed.