Path of Pain – It May Be a Great Game, But Not for the aRPG Fanbase

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MakaveliPT#7753 wrote:

Man shut the hell up, even the guy who got World first Diablo 3 inferno kill in hardcore when everyone tought it was impossible is saying the game is not balanced and the one shots are constant endgame, and he´s playing of of the most tanky builds in the game with like 20+ minions, and he understand PoE very well, so stop lying and stop talking BS, only people having fun (if there some to be had in this game) are the guys running broken builds with over 20k ES that will get nerfed 100%.

And why should I care about one player? Diablo and PoE2 are very different games. He can be the best player in Diablo 3 and still suck in PoE2. Different game, different mechanics. Simple as that.

On top of that, this game is still in EA. GGG will certainly have enough metrics to see, how many people die in high tier maps for what reasons. And how many actually finish the maps. And they will balance the game based on those stats. They WANT the game to be challenging and that even encounters with trash mobs have a certain difficulty. It's not going to be like in PoE1, where you could blindly rush into any monster and easily survive everything.

I think not even 10% of the player base is actually posting here and those who do, are the complainers who want things more easy. I see so many people whining about one-shots in situations, where they could clearly dodge the incoming attack. Like the guy who complained getting killed by ranged units, while he ran straight with stampede into all the bullets.

Git gud.

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Toaru_Majutsu_no_Index#1288 wrote:

there are like 2 characters on 98+
so what are you going on about?

If he not dieing it's only fair to assume he's amassing all that xp, but ill even lowball it to 96+ (and btw there are more than 2 characters 98+)

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AceNightfire#0980 wrote:

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MakaveliPT#7753 wrote:

Man shut the hell up, even the guy who got World first Diablo 3 inferno kill in hardcore when everyone tought it was impossible is saying the game is not balanced and the one shots are constant endgame, and he´s playing of of the most tanky builds in the game with like 20+ minions, and he understand PoE very well, so stop lying and stop talking BS, only people having fun (if there some to be had in this game) are the guys running broken builds with over 20k ES that will get nerfed 100%.

And why should I care about one player? Diablo and PoE2 are very different games. He can be the best player in Diablo 3 and still suck in PoE2. Different game, different mechanics. Simple as that.

On top of that, this game is still in EA. GGG will certainly have enough metrics to see, how many people die in high tier maps for what reasons. And how many actually finish the maps. And they will balance the game based on those stats. They WANT the game to be challenging and that even encounters with trash mobs have a certain difficulty. It's not going to be like in PoE1, where you could blindly rush into any monster and easily survive everything.

I think not even 10% of the player base is actually posting here and those who do, are the complainers who want things more easy. I see so many people whining about one-shots in situations, where they could clearly dodge the incoming attack. Like the guy who complained getting killed by ranged units, while he ran straight with stampede into all the bullets.


Git gud.

Damn youre dumb as a brick,not even worth discussing with you.

And btw, so far i called the loot being miserable when the game launched, devs fixed after 3 days (so i was right), i called about 1 shots and chaos damage being over the top (the devs fixed most of that), i called about getting swarmed in breaches n shit and not being able to dodgeroll anywhere (devs fixed that), so guess the devs might actually understand the complains some vets are giving and are fixing stuff because of that, now you give 0 contribution and just blabber in the forums.

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MakaveliPT#7753 wrote:

Damn youre dumb as a brick,not even worth discussing with you.

You're using straw man arguments like "best player from Diablo said this game is shit" and think, you get any credibility through that? Bring up some good arguments, otherwise we can't even call this a discussion.

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MakaveliPT#7753 wrote:

And btw, so far i called the loot being miserable when the game launched, devs fixed after 3 days (so i was right), i called about 1 shots and chaos damage being over the top (the devs fixed most of that), i called about getting swarmed in breaches n shit and not being able to dodgeroll anywhere (devs fixed that), so guess the devs might actually understand the complains some vets are giving and it´s fixing stuff because of that, now you give 0 contribution and just blabber in the forums.

And that's the difference: GGG will certainly not change the game just based on feedback from the forum. GGG keeps track of numbers. They can see how many people are at which stage of the game, how often they die and what they die from. When GGG sees these numbers and it's clear that chaos damage may be overtuned, they will fix it. If they see, that gear progression is not in line with campaign/map tiers, they will fix it. The feedback is mostly there for suggestions. GGG could change things just based on the metrics, not even needing any feedback here. But ofc some feedback here can be really constructive and useful and give metrics more contextual information. And they also need to give people a place where they can whine ofc, otherwise all these things that are posted here would be somewhere on X, Instagram or Youtube.

If GGG would only listen to feedback from the forum, they would also make respec for free, they would add 6 portals, they would get rid of trials etc. All these things didn't happen (yet), so I guess feedback from forum is not their main source of information. It's the metrics we players automatically create just by playing.

But it's funny how you think that your own shared opinion actually changed the whole game. Like, feeling somehow important/special/entitled?

Speak for yourself.

This is a great game, and I am primarily an aRPG fanatic. I have played most popular games in the genre you can think of, and nothing comes close(overall) to PoE2.

Yes, the game needs a lot of work, but it's EA, and it's warranted, also we don't have some random, obscure developer team, it's GGG, GGG's performance is well documented from PoE1, and the game is in good hands.

If you don't like this game, then please look elsewhere, but please put your delusions elsewhere, you don't represent the opinion of an average aRPG player. You don't even have a proper background in PoE1, which was arguably the dominant game in the genre.

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vonMistont#4223 wrote:

And yes, I know, git gud, skill issue, I get it. If I wanted a skill-based game, I’d play an arcade title. I don’t have the time to retry the same boss ten times or grind just to reach a map boss and get one-shot because I didn’t learn the mechanics beforehand or missed a single dodge.

I Agree 100%

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AceNightfire#0980 wrote:

If GGG would only listen to feedback from the forum, they would also make respec for free, they would add 6 portals, they would get rid of trials etc. All these things didn't happen (yet), so I guess feedback from forum is not their main source of information. It's the metrics we players automatically create just by playing.

But it's funny how you think that your own shared opinion actually changed the whole game. Like, feeling somehow important/special/entitled?

What's funny and sad as the same time, is that you're the same as him, on the other direction.

You are right when you say GGG is not basing anything on this pile of vomit that is the forum, and that they base on their metrics (and should).

But even being right on that, you bring your bias in. let me fix it for you.
If GGG was listening to forum, they would make respec free, add 6 portals, making the game an auto battler.
If GGG was listening to forum, they would make a game playing 1 enemy at a time, soul like, or hardcore where if you die your character is voided.
Both sides are as much idiotic as the other one, because they are just pushing both feedbacks to extremes that ppl didn't say in the first place.
Negative toxicity and positive toxicity are the same, toxicity.

You dismissed what he said about feedback by twisting words which is easy. Doesn't change the fact that what he said in the past is in line with what is actually happening. Does that give him credit ? Maybe, maybe not, still shows his understanding may be higher than what you want to admit.

Poe 2 very easy, very slow and very boring game.
Getting 92 and i can give some feedback:
coridors, coridors and again coridors. - is slow
No craft system - is boring
5 different atlas tree, but u can get mechanics and boss tree after clear > 130 maps. Rofl, its slow and boring.
W\o dmg in start game most builds is very slow and u spent on boss 2-3 minutes. W dmg all bosses down in 10-20 second. But not all build can get damage and not all skill can damage on start.
As for me i end acts very fast and start some new characters, for check another builds. And... Them was so terrible. You give us big new tree, but its so solid, that u can't make some changes in tree like in poe1. for one build we can't make 3-4 variant with same dmg.
And its not only my opinion:
for 2 weeks this game lost more then 100k players. Its 1\10 of all, who buyed.
May not need repeat history of diablo immortal?
Good bye, see u later, on the next patch

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rob_korn#1745 wrote:

What's funny and sad as the same time, is that you're the same as him, on the other direction.

You are right when you say GGG is not basing anything on this pile of vomit that is the forum, and that they base on their metrics (and should).

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You dismissed what he said about feedback by twisting words which is easy. Doesn't change the fact that what he said in the past is in line with what is actually happening. Does that give him credit ? Maybe, maybe not, still shows his understanding may be higher than what you want to admit.

Yes and that's why I think that he is overestimating his influence on the games changes. Metrics are more objective then opinions from single users. And if someone tries to tell me "I said X and GGG changed X", it gives the impression that this players thinks that his opinion is weighing more then opinions from others. I mean, do you think he only said those things? He very likely also said other things, that aren't changed yet. But if he only mentions the things he said that were also tackled by GGG, then this is called a confirmation bias.

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rob_korn#1745 wrote:

But even being right on that, you bring your bias in. let me fix it for you.
If GGG was listening to forum, they would make respec free, add 6 portals, making the game an auto battler.
If GGG was listening to forum, they would make a game playing 1 enemy at a time, soul like, or hardcore where if you die your character is voided.
Both sides are as much idiotic as the other one, because they are just pushing both feedbacks to extremes that ppl didn't say in the first place.
Negative toxicity and positive toxicity are the same, toxicity.

I don't understand what you're trying to tell me here. I'm just saying that GGG very likely and mainly uses metrics to change aspects of the game and not the suggestions/feedback from the forum. Because many people here actually suggest to bring in 6 portals, free respec, easier boss fights, getting rid or change trials, higher drop rates etc. And if GGG would listen to this kind of feedback, they would have implemented it already. GGG is well aware that opinions on this forum are very likely very extreme and "not healthy" for the game. They read the things here, but carefully look, if the metrics match the actual feedback.

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AceNightfire#0980 wrote:

I don't understand what you're trying to tell me here. I'm just saying that GGG very likely and mainly uses metrics to change aspects of the game and not the suggestions/feedback from the forum. Because many people here actually suggest to bring in 6 portals, free respec, easier boss fights, getting rid or change trials, higher drop rates etc. And if GGG would listen to this kind of feedback, they would have implemented it already. GGG is well aware that opinions on this forum are very likely very extreme and "not healthy" for the game. They read the things here, but carefully look, if the metrics match the actual feedback.

You're saying he is having confirmation bias, which is valid.

But the very next paragraph of yours is talking about ppl wanting to make game easier.
There are ppl also telling that the game should be harder. But you didn't talk about those, because of your own bias.

"if GGG would listen to this kind of feedback, they would have implemented it already"
That's litteraly you, bringing confirmation bias, right after you condemned it from someone else.

GGG listen, so they implemented it.
GGG don't listen, or they would have implemented it.

Those 2 sentences suffer the same confirmation bias. They are basically the same statement, one being the negative of the other. 1st one is from the guy you critique. 2nd one is yours. In the end, same shit.

Got it now ?