"it's early access" isn't an excuse

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timnor#9068 wrote:

Games a huge step back. Not enjoying poe 2 or its devs at all. Nerfing mid builds while leaving a build 50% of the playerbase is playing alive? Why invest in a build if it's going to get nerfed?

It's "early access" not a beta test.

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ash91_#3906 wrote:

Yes, Early Access is an excuse. Understanding that, and giving feedback for the developers in order for them to polish & finish the game is what is expected.

Complaining & whining about the state of the game in EA is not the same as understanding the above and giving constructive feedback in a proper and civilized manner. Big difference.

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Angrybagel#7431 wrote:

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Ammardian#2588 wrote:

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Imaginaerum#5568 wrote:

Over the years I've noticed when a game is in early access, anytime criticism is leveled at the game, a ton of users will respond with "it's early access what did you expect?"

My brother in Atziri, I am getting exactly what I expected. That is why I am leaving a detailed complaint. That is the whole purpose of Early Access. There is never a better time to loudly complain about what's wrong with the game.

So, to everybody who has issues with PoE2 in its 'beta', Early Access, testing stage - complain. Complain more and more and more. Give GGG all the feedback you possibly can. I'm convinced PoE2 is going to be great (it already mostly is), but that doesn't mean it can't be improved. Don't listen to these weirdos trying to convince you to just deal with it because it's in the early stage of development. Devs can't process feedback that doesn't exist.

However, it is reasonable to phrase your 'complaint' by way of actually good feedback. The amount of comments just shitting on GGG instead of actually giving decent feedback DO NOT GET AN EXCUSE. There is simply no excuse whatsoever for abuse, and "oh complaining is good for feedback" only demonstrates poor character.

I think though, a reasonable amount of these complaints are, at it's core, rooted in the fact that game is in early access. "Why is this bad? Why did this get nerfed?" etc. and other balancing concerns, are simply caused by the fact that balance is progressive and to think that people expected to have a stable game with no balance changes in early access is mind-boggling.

If a large number complaints weren't rooted in players having biased or warped expectations about what an early-access game would look like and they actually were civil and gave constructive feedback, then I wouldn't have an issue with it, but once again, no excuse for toxicity with the thinly-veiled excuse of calling it 'feedback'.

Let's stop pretending that the good feedback doesn't get dunked on just as much. The entire discourse surrounding POE2 is a complete dumpster fire.

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kuciol#0426 wrote:

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ash91_#3906 wrote:

Yes, Early Access is an excuse. Understanding that, and giving feedback for the developers in order for them to polish & finish the game is what is expected.

Complaining & whining about the state of the game in EA is not the same as understanding the above and giving constructive feedback in a proper and civilized manner. Big difference.

Constantly repeating "i want this game to be like poe1" is not a feedback, its whining. PoE2 is not meant to be like poe1 in the first place. Game being EA is not an excuse, GGG doesnt even need any. You should better inform yourself next time what you willingly bought into. Game is not ready, bugged, unbalanced and will be constantly changed. Thats just the nature of EA, thats how every single EA game operate. Learn the difference between "reason" and "excuse".

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ash91_#3906 wrote:

Early access is a reason. There you go. You're talking semantics. All what I've said still applys.

Now, all what you wrote before your last sentence, I don't understand how any of it relates to my words!!

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kuciol#0426 wrote:

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ash91_#3906 wrote:

Early access is a reason. There you go. You're talking semantics. All what I've said still applys.

Now, all what you wrote before your last sentence, I don't understand how any of it relates to my words!!

Its not semantics. Excuses are made when something is not as advertised. Thats not the case here. It is expected that EA game will have tons of problems and constant changes, some games even made a full wipe and not once during EA. You not understanding what EA is doesnt change that.