"it's early access" isn't an excuse

Over the years I've noticed when a game is in early access, anytime criticism is leveled at the game, a ton of users will respond with "it's early access what did you expect?"

My brother in Atziri, I am getting exactly what I expected. That is why I am leaving a detailed complaint. That is the whole purpose of Early Access. There is never a better time to loudly complain about what's wrong with the game.

So, to everybody who has issues with PoE2 in its 'beta', Early Access, testing stage - complain. Complain more and more and more. Give GGG all the feedback you possibly can. I'm convinced PoE2 is going to be great (it already mostly is), but that doesn't mean it can't be improved. Don't listen to these weirdos trying to convince you to just deal with it because it's in the early stage of development. Devs can't process feedback that doesn't exist.
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If a company asks for my money to play their game, they should be ready to take criticism. Early access or not.
Last edited by Exsmigol#0934 on Dec 16, 2024, 9:10:32 PM
yes it is
Last edited by OniJihn#0420 on Dec 16, 2024, 9:11:59 PM
As soon as they charge money for it and sell in-game MTX, it should be ready to receive criticism like a finished product

It would be very different in my eyes if they were still a small indie company, like they were back in PoE 1 beta days
But "supporter packs" are just DLC packs at this point
Last edited by Jokke1989#7206 on Dec 16, 2024, 11:34:25 PM
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Over the years I've noticed when a game is in early access, anytime criticism is leveled at the game, a ton of users will respond with "it's early access what did you expect?"

My brother in Atziri, I am getting exactly what I expected. That is why I am leaving a detailed complaint. That is the whole purpose of Early Access. There is never a better time to loudly complain about what's wrong with the game.

So, to everybody who has issues with PoE2 in its 'beta', Early Access, testing stage - complain. Complain more and more and more. Give GGG all the feedback you possibly can. I'm convinced PoE2 is going to be great (it already mostly is), but that doesn't mean it can't be improved. Don't listen to these weirdos trying to convince you to just deal with it because it's in the early stage of development. Devs can't process feedback that doesn't exist.


However, it is reasonable to phrase your 'complaint' by way of actually good feedback. The amount of comments just shitting on GGG instead of actually giving decent feedback DO NOT GET AN EXCUSE. There is simply no excuse whatsoever for abuse, and "oh complaining is good for feedback" only demonstrates poor character.

I think though, a reasonable amount of these complaints are, at it's core, rooted in the fact that game is in early access. "Why is this bad? Why did this get nerfed?" etc. and other balancing concerns, are simply caused by the fact that balance is progressive and to think that people expected to have a stable game with no balance changes in early access is mind-boggling.

If a large number complaints weren't rooted in players having biased or warped expectations about what an early-access game would look like and they actually were civil and gave constructive feedback, then I wouldn't have an issue with it, but once again, no excuse for toxicity with the thinly-veiled excuse of calling it 'feedback'.
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Over the years I've noticed when a game is in early access, anytime criticism is leveled at the game, a ton of users will respond with "it's early access what did you expect?"

My brother in Atziri, I am getting exactly what I expected. That is why I am leaving a detailed complaint. That is the whole purpose of Early Access. There is never a better time to loudly complain about what's wrong with the game.

So, to everybody who has issues with PoE2 in its 'beta', Early Access, testing stage - complain. Complain more and more and more. Give GGG all the feedback you possibly can. I'm convinced PoE2 is going to be great (it already mostly is), but that doesn't mean it can't be improved. Don't listen to these weirdos trying to convince you to just deal with it because it's in the early stage of development. Devs can't process feedback that doesn't exist.


However, it is reasonable to phrase your 'complaint' by way of actually good feedback. The amount of comments just shitting on GGG instead of actually giving decent feedback DO NOT GET AN EXCUSE...

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Criticisms aren't the problem. Whining is the problem. That is what the "it's ea, dude" is meant to address. Keep a level head and realise that it's what you signed up for - an unbalanced mess. Recall Mark Roberts also saying "balance is hard" during the reveal.
"It's Ea, dude" isn't an excuse, it's an explanation.

While you are right; An EA is the perfect time to give feedback - and lots of it, there are certain things you just can't/shouldn't expect from a game that only has half the classes added to it, half the weapons added to it and 1/3 of the ascendancy classes added to it.

But then again, there are certain other things you should expect. So keep that feedback rolling, but always think twice and try to actually give good feedback, and not just complain/whine, which isn't helping anyone.
Sometimes, just sometimes, you should really consider adapting to the world, instead of demanding that the world adapts to you.
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Over the years I've noticed when a game is in early access, anytime criticism is leveled at the game, a ton of users will respond with "it's early access what did you expect?"

My brother in Atziri, I am getting exactly what I expected. That is why I am leaving a detailed complaint. That is the whole purpose of Early Access. There is never a better time to loudly complain about what's wrong with the game.

So, to everybody who has issues with PoE2 in its 'beta', Early Access, testing stage - complain. Complain more and more and more. Give GGG all the feedback you possibly can. I'm convinced PoE2 is going to be great (it already mostly is), but that doesn't mean it can't be improved. Don't listen to these weirdos trying to convince you to just deal with it because it's in the early stage of development. Devs can't process feedback that doesn't exist.


However, it is reasonable to phrase your 'complaint' by way of actually good feedback. The amount of comments just shitting on GGG instead of actually giving decent feedback DO NOT GET AN EXCUSE. There is simply no excuse whatsoever for abuse, and "oh complaining is good for feedback" only demonstrates poor character.

I think though, a reasonable amount of these complaints are, at it's core, rooted in the fact that game is in early access. "Why is this bad? Why did this get nerfed?" etc. and other balancing concerns, are simply caused by the fact that balance is progressive and to think that people expected to have a stable game with no balance changes in early access is mind-boggling.

If a large number complaints weren't rooted in players having biased or warped expectations about what an early-access game would look like and they actually were civil and gave constructive feedback, then I wouldn't have an issue with it, but once again, no excuse for toxicity with the thinly-veiled excuse of calling it 'feedback'.


Let's stop pretending that the good feedback doesn't get dunked on just as much. The entire discourse surrounding POE2 is a complete dumpster fire.
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You're right; it's not an excuse.

It's a reason.

The least people can do is be reasonable.

Although if almost 13 years dealing with Sciles has taught me anything, that's sometimes the most people can do and even rhen only after a good deal of stroppiness. Yours truly included.

...But oh I have MISSED closed beta GGG. The energy is just...different. The rapidity of patches is electric.

What a ride this is gonna be. Again.
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Looking forward to Ascending in PoE2...someday.
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