End game combat feels too fast

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hmcg020#6029 wrote:

I wholeheartedly disagree.

What gives PoE value for me, is our character's potential for exponential growth. Unlike Diablo2 or D2R, etc, you can go from merely surviving the campaign (Which I LOVED), to dropping the hardest bosses in a second. This can take a year's worth of investment, but it's possible and I love that.

I don't want to get to a point where I'm 35% stronger than someone else doing cow-level no matter what gear I have. I want to be able to clear players-6 cow level in 30 seconds, 1-tapping whole screens.

To achieve that, a single skill must be a nuke (or some "cast on" setup). That means every form of skill combo is pointless – so why even have that? It can't be both, or at least you have the current disconnect between campaign and maps.

It kills build variety too. The only useful skill in endgame are those that can become one-shot nukes. So everyone better play meta builds. The only form of crazy experimentation is for the super rich that can combine various uniques etc. to turn them into nukes – because there is no other than wiping entire screens in a second.

Does it really kill your power fantasy if you have to use 3 skills together to wipe an entire screen? If even the best setups need 15 seconds instead of 1 to clear a boss or screen?

I guess I just don't see the challenge if you are too overpowered, like activating an immortality cheat in other games – what even is the point then?
In other words: some reach kid like Elon Musk can buy an overpowered character and one-tap a pinnacle boss because even he manages to click a button. No skill or game knowledge needed.

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EnCey#6276 wrote:

In other words: some rich kid like Elon Musk can buy an overpowered character and one-tap a pinnacle boss because even he manages to click a button. No skill or game knowledge needed.

This... so SO much this. What he did proves without a doubt what the problem with this joke "power fantasy" is. As if there was more proof needed but hey.. the more the merrier.

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hmcg020#6029 wrote:

I wholeheartedly disagree.

What gives PoE value for me, is our character's potential for exponential growth. Unlike Diablo2 or D2R, etc, you can go from merely surviving the campaign (Which I LOVED), to dropping the hardest bosses in a second. This can take a year's worth of investment, but it's possible and I love that.

I don't want to get to a point where I'm 35% stronger than someone else doing cow-level no matter what gear I have. I want to be able to clear players-6 cow level in 30 seconds, 1-tapping whole screens.

ok, but where is the exponential growth in poe 2 unless you use archmage or howa? nonexistent.

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EnCey#6276 wrote:

In other words: some reach kid like Elon Musk can buy an overpowered character and one-tap a pinnacle boss because even he manages to click a button.

Why did Musk do that btw..? I mean it's just overall bull$hit on Reddit/YT/etc -- like it's obvious he's just a fraud lol

+1 absolutely agree.

This is not what was said about PoE 2 during all it's marketing and all videos showcased.
Endgame isn't slow and methodical at all. It's PoE 1 copy-paste.

I am able to explode whole screens with few buttons, bosses are dying in seconds and I don't even know what mechanics they have.

Campaign Act 1 was amazing.
Endgame got me over-stimulated and ultimately bored in few maps. It's like a game for monkeys to keep mashing two buttons and nothing else.

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LordMordeth#6639 wrote:

Yep.

I feel there's a disconnect currently, between the acts and the maps where the former is slower, got time to react gameplay vs the latter more zoomy, PoE1 kill or be killed screen clearing gameplay.

And personally, as much as i love me some PoE zoom zooms, that's not what i would ever play this game for cos that's what the first game is for, right?

This. I still have poe1 leagues to go back once in while for zoom zooms.

Totally agree.
Game started like a blend of poe with souls-like pacing and methodical gameplay which was so refreshing fun and rewarding + incentivising experimentation and bolstering creativity.
You reach the end game and its poe1 again. This got even worse after latest patch - you need to clear tge the screen before mobs get close and all those fun combo mechanics are useless. Its a shame cause those elements so prominent in the first acts were so well done and felt amazing..

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Campaign Act 1 was amazing.
Endgame got me over-stimulated and ultimately bored in few maps. It's like a game for monkeys to keep mashing two buttons and nothing else.

GGG wants to lure all poe1 players into poe2.
I just hope they will make 2 very different league options: "good slow methodical league" and "braindead zoomzoom with x100 powercreep for more zoomzoom".

I wish one day for a game like that but POE could never be that. In the moment you have infinite healing (Like life regen or energy shield) the only thing that can kill you is a one shot that surpasses all your defences, so the endgame will always end up being kill everything as fast as you can before they have the chance to one shot you.

Theoretically there are alternative ways to address it - strong dots, curses which reduce regen of life and es etc. This would require a big rework of games mechanics though so I guess we are Just sticking with poe 1 endgame feel.
Once I reach zoom zoom stage "game" part is done is done for me as it becomes a loot slot machine with Flashy effects and I can only do it while listening to some audiobook or podcast to relax and check the drops. If I want an actual game I need to create a new char and start act 1 again. Would that be changed ? Doubt it as majority of players seem to like it (I guess it scratches the same itch as vampire survivors at this stage)