POE 2 early access paywall

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cesmode#5569 wrote:

So...my take on this is that the game is no longer free to play. Either you need to have spent $480 in the past on POE1 or drop 30 now. Basically, its a 30 dollar buy to play like any other ARPG.

With that said, it'll be free once the game launches (projected 2025, probably late 2025?). But I'd reckon *most* players who are playing at official launch will be playing on December 6 and can only do so by spending $$.

POE2 is not free to play. *yet*.

To the OP point, yah Im sure they see the dollar signs with this move. Pay us $$ to play now, and then keep buying supporter packs until the game really launches. While you play now, its really just beta and youre testing for us. Sounds like Blizzard and D4. We beta tested the game at launch and provided feedback for a year before it became playable and semi enjoyable. After having bought the game.

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Ispita#4020 wrote:

People must be really new on the internet. This has always been like this with a lot of f2p games. They soft release it but it is an actual relese already. The game is ready to be played no matter the amount of content it has. Do you think the amount of people that will buy EA probably half a million at least are just there to "help test the game" come on this is a soft release. Don't jump around the bushes. I'm not saying it is bad or not but this has always been like this. If you are around for a long time you clearly see it. No matter the marketing name early access/open beta anything this is essentially the same thing. Only thing matters is that it has a price tag or not.

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n0z0mu#3392 wrote:

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Ispita#4020 wrote:

People must be really new on the internet. This has always been like this with a lot of f2p games. They soft release it but it is an actual relese already. The game is ready to be played no matter the amount of content it has. Do you think the amount of people that will buy EA probably half a million at least are just there to "help test the game" come on this is a soft release. Don't jump around the bushes. I'm not saying it is bad or not but this has always been like this. If you are around for a long time you clearly see it. No matter the marketing name early access/open beta anything this is essentially the same thing. Only thing matters is that it has a price tag or not.

Again, just because you see it that way, does not change what it is.
It is not even a soft release, let alone a full one.
No full campaign, no all classes and ascendancies, everything will be deleted after early access ends (and probably few times in between).

Game was ready to play 10 years ago since it started as a upgrade to PoE 1...
I do not care about number of people that will or will not play it as that is irrelevant. Nor do I care about marketing or their naming.
Game is not full feature = not a full release.

That is like saying you can drive car with only 2 tires installed if you balance it properly and calling it soft release since it is usable and car is driveable! ("The game is ready to be played no matter the amount of content it has")

I think the issue stems from your viewpoint of this being soft release. It is not. Game is not out yet, nor is it feature complete. Paying 30 dollars is optional, just as it is optional to play the early access.

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Xyel#0284 wrote:

Just to clarify, there will be no wipes and it will have it's own leagues and it's own 'standard'.

It also is a feature-complete game - you are stuck too much on labels and ignoring the broader context.

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BaumisMagicalWorld#0673 wrote:

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Nubatron#4333 wrote:

The term predatory is being thrown about in this thread often enough that I think some don't know what predatory means.

Both the buyer and seller know exactly what they are buying and selling. GGG offers early access to POE2 for a price, and the buyer gains access to POE2. There isn't anything hidden in that transaction or held back.

If you cherry pick a term and then leave out the context it was used in, then sure. For the record, I used that term to describe the general monetization of the game. Points systems are inherently predatory design. How that translated for you into the Early Access key being predatory is beyond me.

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n0z0mu#3392 wrote:

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Xyel#0284 wrote:

Just to clarify, there will be no wipes and it will have it's own leagues and it's own 'standard'.

It also is a feature-complete game - you are stuck too much on labels and ignoring the broader context.

Yes, my bad, just read it and there will be no wipes, but the chars will be put into special "Early Access" league ("We will do new leagues but none of your characters will be wiped, they will just go to a league called Early Access (so they will never be in Standard).") so there will be no interaction between EA chars and release chars.

No it is not, since they said such - there are no 3 acts, not all classes and ascendancies are released. Nor the endgame is fixed yet. There is no context to ignore.

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Xyel#0284 wrote:

The context is the size - comapred to D4 release, PoE2EA has a longer campaign, more classes, and way more endgame. Or in comparison to any other ARPG release.

That it doesn't have even more classes and even bigger campaign and even more endgame doesn't change anything about the EA being a complete game, which is effectively the largest ARPG on a release date ever.

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Xyel#0284 wrote:

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n0z0mu#3392 wrote:

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Xyel#0284 wrote:

Just to clarify, there will be no wipes and it will have it's own leagues and it's own 'standard'.

It also is a feature-complete game - you are stuck too much on labels and ignoring the broader context.

Yes, my bad, just read it and there will be no wipes, but the chars will be put into special "Early Access" league ("We will do new leagues but none of your characters will be wiped, they will just go to a league called Early Access (so they will never be in Standard).") so there will be no interaction between EA chars and release chars.

No it is not, since they said such - there are no 3 acts, not all classes and ascendancies are released. Nor the endgame is fixed yet. There is no context to ignore.

The context is the size - comapred to D4 release, PoE2EA has a longer campaign, more classes, way more monster types, massively more bosses, and way more endgame. Or in comparison to any other ARPG release.

That it doesn't have even more classes and even bigger campaign and even more endgame doesn't change anything about the EA being a complete game, which is effectively the largest ARPG on a release date ever.