Neither game is nearly fun enough to ignore all the feedback regarding unskippable campaigns.

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Andromansis#4714 wrote:

First, there is a finite amount of setup for the system. You need the NPC to act as the onramp. You need the offramp. But other than that its almost all already setup with endless delve and endless ledge leagues. They have the code base.

Second, they're going to make more leagues. More leagues means more league mechanics. As I said it is not beyond the pale to believe that one or more of those future leagues might be applicable, either tangentially or directly, to that framework. If it happens it happens if not then I'm pretty sure they've stopped trying to make things happen.

Thirdly, nobody is saying they have to use the ideas presented in this thread. They employ at least one professional game designer that makes systems like these for their game. They could engage in whatever creative and problem solving process they engage in when they're trying to be creative and solve problems and come up with a better idea than I've got. All we're asking is that they acknowledge that its a problem they can't ignore and take steps to
attempt to implement a satisfactory solution.

Finally, I'm gonna ask y'all again to stop trying to create a strawman to argue against. I understand the impulse, but you aren't doing yourself or the conversation any favors by these kneejerk and inflammatory mirages you keep arguing against.

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Andromansis#4714 wrote:

I get that y'all like to ask streamers, who functionally get paid to play through the campaign ad infinitum, about it. They're wrong though.

Like I'm actually in awe of how they managed to functionally repackage the entire game and leave this unaddressed. It beggars belief. There was a short amount of time when GGG was saying they were going revise how people get ascendancies that looked like they were going to be making moves to address all the feedback about the unskippable campaign but then they took an abrupt left turn about all of that and here we are, another year without it being addressed.

You mean to tell me you come up with 40 unique challenges each league and can not come up with a way to unlock some way to streamline the leveling campaign? People literally funded and tested every feature in this upcoming game for you and you can't even bother to listen to them when they're telling you things?

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1453R#7804 wrote:

Generally, people who push for campaign skips are there for endgame. They ONLY want endgame. Nothing CAN be interesting for them but endgame. The only thing they want to do is experiment with endgame builds; no matter what happens in the campaign, those players will not care because they one hundred percent believe "the actual game starts at endgame". Everything before level 90 is just pregame to them, a slog they have to pay in order to get to the 'real' fun.

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Andromansis#4714 wrote:

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Moridin79#6328 wrote:

Idk how this continues to confuse people. They are never going to allow this to happen.

Just like how they'd never allow trading automation or in game bulk markets and how path of exile 2 was just going to be a really big expansion for path of exile 1

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Andromansis#4714 wrote:

Neither game is nearly fun enough to ignore all the feedback regarding unskippable campaigns.