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Bosscannon wrote:
nah, majority skills in this game simple dont scale on measly 50d budget past 5-10 mill without stacking
and if only "proper" builds are now stacking builds then I am vehemently against as they are all the fucking same and build variety is nonexistent, difference between those akin to same cars with different paintjobs
funnily enough this is exactly what we got right now, stackers and whatever GGG has ooopsied into being meta this season but will nerf very soon stating "guys this is clearly too strong, it was a mistake(TM)"
spells took a hit for no fucking reason this patch and expect melee, most of which is still unplayable after the buffs, most of which were "buffs", to be gutted again very soon
Are you going to list that "majority" of skills (let's limit it to melee skills since that seems to be the topic atmm) that you think can't push further so that we can have an actual discussion on the matter or are you just going to leave it at that?
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Posted byBaharoth15#0429on Sep 2, 2024, 7:04:29 AM
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Baharoth15 wrote:
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Bosscannon wrote:
nah, majority skills in this game simple dont scale on measly 50d budget past 5-10 mill without stacking
and if only "proper" builds are now stacking builds then I am vehemently against as they are all the fucking same and build variety is nonexistent, difference between those akin to same cars with different paintjobs
funnily enough this is exactly what we got right now, stackers and whatever GGG has ooopsied into being meta this season but will nerf very soon stating "guys this is clearly too strong, it was a mistake(TM)"
spells took a hit for no fucking reason this patch and expect melee, most of which is still unplayable after the buffs, most of which were "buffs", to be gutted again very soon
Are you going to list that "majority" of skills (let's limit it to melee skills since that seems to be the topic atmm) that you think can't push further so that we can have an actual discussion on the matter or are you just going to leave it at that?
Would be a long list.
For starters lets do one.
I pick shock nova.
Throw together a POB of non stacking self cast 50div shock nova build that is 30mio dps and not wet tissue thin a.k.a t17 and uber ready. Comment item price tags so I can check.
Or, alternatively, tell me where to plug in 50div into this to make it 30mio dps: https://pobb.in/xJc-JJNZsf8h
Gull is for mapping obviously, pay it no mind and change it.
When fallacious arguments aren't convincing comes the biased moderation. Last edited by Bosscannon#3325 on Sep 2, 2024, 7:30:26 AM
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Posted byBosscannon#3325on Sep 2, 2024, 7:26:00 AM
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I think we have a very different understanding of the word "melee skills"...
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Posted byBaharoth15#0429on Sep 2, 2024, 8:27:49 AM
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Bosscannon wrote:
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Baharoth15 wrote:
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Bosscannon wrote:
nah, majority skills in this game simple dont scale on measly 50d budget past 5-10 mill without stacking
and if only "proper" builds are now stacking builds then I am vehemently against as they are all the fucking same and build variety is nonexistent, difference between those akin to same cars with different paintjobs
funnily enough this is exactly what we got right now, stackers and whatever GGG has ooopsied into being meta this season but will nerf very soon stating "guys this is clearly too strong, it was a mistake(TM)"
spells took a hit for no fucking reason this patch and expect melee, most of which is still unplayable after the buffs, most of which were "buffs", to be gutted again very soon
Are you going to list that "majority" of skills (let's limit it to melee skills since that seems to be the topic atmm) that you think can't push further so that we can have an actual discussion on the matter or are you just going to leave it at that?
Would be a long list.
For starters lets do one.
I pick shock nova.
Throw together a POB of non stacking self cast 50div shock nova build that is 30mio dps and not wet tissue thin a.k.a t17 and uber ready. Comment item price tags so I can check.
Or, alternatively, tell me where to plug in 50div into this to make it 30mio dps: https://pobb.in/xJc-JJNZsf8h
Gull is for mapping obviously, pay it no mind and change it.
Weird limitations you picked there. Almost like you are aware that Shock Nova is a very popular skill in manastacking Mjolnir builds that use CwC. xD
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Posted byArtCrusade#4438on Sep 2, 2024, 8:29:17 AMOn Probation
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Bosscannon wrote:
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Baharoth15 wrote:
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Bosscannon wrote:
nah, majority skills in this game simple dont scale on measly 50d budget past 5-10 mill without stacking
and if only "proper" builds are now stacking builds then I am vehemently against as they are all the fucking same and build variety is nonexistent, difference between those akin to same cars with different paintjobs
funnily enough this is exactly what we got right now, stackers and whatever GGG has ooopsied into being meta this season but will nerf very soon stating "guys this is clearly too strong, it was a mistake(TM)"
spells took a hit for no fucking reason this patch and expect melee, most of which is still unplayable after the buffs, most of which were "buffs", to be gutted again very soon
Are you going to list that "majority" of skills (let's limit it to melee skills since that seems to be the topic atmm) that you think can't push further so that we can have an actual discussion on the matter or are you just going to leave it at that?
Would be a long list.
For starters lets do one.
I pick shock nova.
Throw together a POB of non stacking self cast 50div shock nova build that is 30mio dps and not wet tissue thin a.k.a t17 and uber ready. Comment item price tags so I can check.
Or, alternatively, tell me where to plug in 50div into this to make it 30mio dps: https://pobb.in/xJc-JJNZsf8h
Gull is for mapping obviously, pay it no mind and change it.
Gave it a try
https://pobb.in/lZWe6rfID_Zh
For roughly 20 div (7 div flask, 4 div helmet, 7 div weapon, 2 div jewels) its roughly 4x the dps. No clue how the skill gems works ingame, but from reading the gem there should be another 5-10 multiplicator built in through skill mechanics. Next step would be taking a hard look at the defensives, reworking them and using the freed up skillpoints to get the remaining "missing" damage.
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BaumisMagicalWorld wrote:
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ArtCrusade wrote:
Weird limitations you picked there. Almost like you are aware that Shock Nova is a very popular skill in manastacking Mjolnir builds that use CwC. xD
That'd be Manabond, not Shock Nova.
That was before the Archmage rework im pretty sure,
https://poe.ninja/builds/settlers?skills=Manabond
3 Manabond players,
https://poe.ninja/builds/settlers?skills=Shock+Nova
230 Shock Nova
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BaumisMagicalWorld wrote:
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ArtCrusade wrote:
Weird limitations you picked there. Almost like you are aware that Shock Nova is a very popular skill in manastacking Mjolnir builds that use CwC. xD
That'd be Manabond, not Shock Nova.
Please check your information before commenting, thank you
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Posted byArtCrusade#4438on Sep 2, 2024, 8:55:12 AMOn Probation
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Baharoth15 wrote:
I think we have a very different understanding of the word "melee skills"...
didnt notice this the first time
fine, looking forward to 30mio 50div uberviable-tanky cyclone build pob
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Posted byBosscannon#3325on Sep 2, 2024, 9:00:08 AM
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Bosscannon wrote:
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Baharoth15 wrote:
I think we have a very different understanding of the word "melee skills"...
didnt notice this the first time
fine, looking forward to 30mio 50div uberviable-tanky cyclone build pob
For like 25 div I was able to get your weird build to 3.5M DPS per firestorm, so if I understand the gem correctly that should be the magical 30M DPS at 9-ish casts.
https://pobb.in/kZGUrQLaij53
Side note, I'm pretty sure that build was not really functional to begin with, I can't find the source of ignite, so I assume it was the holy flame totem.
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BaumisMagicalWorld wrote:
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stnikolauswagne wrote:
Side note, I'm pretty sure that build was not really functional to begin with, I can't find the source of ignite
You serious? Crits with Fire Damage ignite by default.
And the POB he linked took the mastery of "critical strikes to not inherently apply ignite".
Be better!
FWIW here's a version that does not have that mastery (and thus has to skip Awakened Ele Focus), its down to 3.2M, would need to re-jiggle some other things to get the DPS back up but should be possible.
https://pobb.in/f1YVY_LKjfFZ
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