WHY PUNISH PEOPLE FOR DYING?

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mrhouston wrote:

There are solutions and they all end in a patience game, no longer an action game, which is the issue, Nomancs. BESIDES making compulsory use of things, destroying variety.

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It becomes a patience game, it's awful.

The problem is: it's BORING. No exp penalty is the actual solution.

So that we can have FUN experimenting creative builds, mixing archetypes, learning by ourselves instead of copying things done by a community, instead of ourselves.

The "harder" -actually time consuming- they try to make the game, the more people decide to play it by easy linear copy-paste. A mere action game.

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Nomancs wrote:

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Echothesis wrote:

Okay, I'd be very grateful if you told me how to get serious phys damage mitigation on a top-right side of the tree characters, without sacrificing your chest slot for lightning coil or such. If I have to use several items to shift phys damage to chaos or elemental, this is hardly "some side investment".

So you're asking how to get phys mitigation without using phys mitigation? is this your trap of some sort? :P
Simplest answer: endurance charge will give you reduced phys dmg taken. Will it fix your specific build, because I assume you have one in mind - no idea. You wanted an example, you got it ;)

If you want complex help with a very specific build or specific layers:
https://www.pathofexile.com/forum/view-forum/gameplay-discussion

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Echothesis wrote:

Endurance charges alone won't save me from T17 bosses, even with serious investment of like 10 charges (idk if that's even possible, don't play marauders or duelists).

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Echothesis wrote:

So am I understanding you correctly that top-right side of the tree should have (...)

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Echothesis wrote:

I thought about hit-to-dot conversion, but health regen is inconvenient on top-right side either, and leech is unreliable because bosses have invulnerability phases forcing you to break contact even if you are not melee range.

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Echothesis wrote:

Okay, if there are no secret defense mechanics that I missed, original point stands: exp penalty impact largely depends on build archetype, then depends on using party for higher player stats via sharing auras/curses, then depends on sacrificing loot for less random layers on monsters, then depends on how you can handle visual clutter and actually see what is happening, then depends on your pc and connection (client lazy loading, server predictive network, performance dives after major engine patches), then depends on willingness to use hacky tools like logout scripts.

After above, what remains of "justified difficulty"? Penalty in this specific game kills desire to experiment, as you know how much will you die with new build before it gets minmaxed. It forces to avoid trying (even learning) new boss because you are at the middle of the level and have to spam barren white maps 50 times more.

Make exp penalty optional, and give the masochists their special bonuses, achievements, and badges to brag about it.

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No "exp on death" will just kill leveling and joy from getting levels.

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Echothesis wrote:

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No "exp on death" will just kill leveling and joy from getting levels.

Don't you see contradiction?:) If penalty is optional, no one takes joy from you, tune it all the way to 100% exp loss and have fun. Or you wouldn't want if you knew others can disable it? If yes, you are trying to feed your pride at the expense of others, which shouldn't be an argument to design, as said already.