Save the League! Increase the Loot!

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Lonely.Cat wrote:

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Mashgesture wrote:

Nothing wrong with the current loot.

Dude... everything is wrong with the loot. I tried t16. It's dead. Sure I can do Delirium+Alva+Beyond spam to get ~1 div per 3 maps (Simulacrum+Atzotl+random drop) with some lucky drops, but it's not enough in late game. I can do 4 memories per hour to turn my 5 divs to 10-12 divs. 15 divs, if I'm lucky. But this process is boring, and there is no gold. I can do sanctum to print currency. Same problem. Boring, no gold. Also, no gold means that I'm not able to do most of the league mechanics. No league mechanics = I'm playing freaking standart league... and I did play like that, because i wanted to upgrade my gear, so I could move to high-end content.

Moving to high tier farm. When you enter T17, you hope that you'll have at least some profit, so you can afford more T17 investment, because T17 are fun to run... but GGG nerfing every T17 strat to the ground every day, BEFORE most of players can even try them.

Rituals? With scarabs+Boss vessel+Atlas tree+perfect conditions... you get something like 17k tribute. 17K in fully juiced T17. 2 div investment. 17K tribute. 1 div in ritual is smthing like 6-7k tribute. Each reroll - 1.4k tribute. But most of the time conditions are not perfect. And you get 10-12k tribute. It's not enough to do rerolls and buy smthing good. Sure, you can reserve rewards to buy it cheaper later... But with 10-12k tribute it's always NOT ENOUGH. After 15 maps I've lost 20 divs.

Boxes? With same investment my friend barely made to +5-7 divs profit. Reason? Inderect nerfs.

Div cards? With today's hotfix it was nerfed to the ground.

And so on. While in sanctum with almost no investments you can just print currency...

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Bubbleraps wrote:

Yeah currency drop rates are killing what is a pretty neat league mechanic. I'm already over this league because of lack of drops. I've gotten 1 divine drop literally while going through the acts and have almost completed my atlas at this point without a single other one dropping. I'm still rocking the terrible starting gear I spent that 1 divine on because I've just got nothing this whole time since.

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Mashgesture wrote:

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Lonely.Cat wrote:

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Mashgesture wrote:

Nothing wrong with the current loot.

Dude... everything is wrong with the loot. I tried t16. It's dead. Sure I can do Delirium+Alva+Beyond spam to get ~1 div per 3 maps (Simulacrum+Atzotl+random drop) with some lucky drops, but it's not enough in late game. I can do 4 memories per hour to turn my 5 divs to 10-12 divs. 15 divs, if I'm lucky. But this process is boring, and there is no gold. I can do sanctum to print currency. Same problem. Boring, no gold. Also, no gold means that I'm not able to do most of the league mechanics. No league mechanics = I'm playing freaking standart league... and I did play like that, because i wanted to upgrade my gear, so I could move to high-end content.

Moving to high tier farm. When you enter T17, you hope that you'll have at least some profit, so you can afford more T17 investment, because T17 are fun to run... because GGG nerfing every T17 strat to the ground every day, BEFORE most of players can even try them.

Rituals? With scarabs+Boss vessel+Atlas tree+perfect conditions... you get something like 17k tribute. 17K in fully juiced T17. 2 div investment. 17K favour. 1 div in ritual is smthing like 6-7k tribute. Each reroll - 1.4k tribute. But most of the time conditions are not perfect. And you get 10-12k tribute. It's not enough to do rerolls and buy smthing good. Sure, you can reserve rewards to buy it cheaper later... But with 10-12k tribute it's always NOT ENOUGH. After 15 maps I've lost 20 divs.

Boxes? With same investment my friend barely made to +5-7 divs profit. Reason? Inderect nerfs.

Div cards? With today's hotfix it was nerfed to the ground.

And so on. While in sanctum with almost no investments you can just print currency...

Then you are doing mapping incorrectly sorry I dont know what to tell you? But it honestly doesnt look like it see below:


Looking just solely at your gear it tells me that loot is not an issue. Those are some expensy crafts/uniques, assuming you bought them instead of crafted them/had them drop (which would contradict the loot problem if they did).

your weapon alone is at least 20, theres only one listed with that attack speed and cold roll for 40div currently. So im being extremely generous.

I dont even need to look up that chest piece of yours, thats $$$... 22% suppress T1 Max roll of T1 as well, AND 150+ life AND t1 res AND another t3 res, AND an open prefix, pfft.

Ralakesh early league, yea that was $$$. Currently 12/13, so I dont wanna know what price you paid for those. Probably more.

Max frenzy southbound thats more $$$

Your lethal is probably $$$, not a single 14442 even listed...

I could go on with what you are currently wearing, either you have the best crafting RNG in the world. Or you have the best loot finding RNG in the world, or you have plenty of currency due to having just fine loot drops to afford buying all this gear.

And t17 completions at over a dozen within the first week....all of them fortress so lets quick math that just on their value for selling alone, 14*80c ~7.5 divs just in t17 raw map drops...can guarentee you are at least getting another ~40c on a basic alch n go t16 map farm with a tree of course, not blank/progression....



So along with having a pretty solid setup, with extremely lucky (or bought) crafts/uniques, you are already breaking into t17 farms.

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Yea loot isnt an issue. You want the league to be over in how long?

This honestly SCREAMS to me that its an affliction perspective, and not a realistic one.

Your opinions on sanctum have been true since they brought it back not sure why you are using sanctum as an example. Its been one of the best strats in the game for generating insane currency.

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After 15 maps I've lost 20 divs.

So a gamble didnt work out?

Also if loot is so bad, where do you get these 20 divs, along with all the crazy other investment in your character you have, come from?

Just realize this thread was started by a person that doesnt even play the league.

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Lonely.Cat wrote:

I litterally told you how I've made currency for the gear. Memories and Sanctum. Even doing league mechanics with shipment and map runners will provide you up to 5 divs per day with your Kingsmarch being at least 8th grade. And I'm not even an average player here. I'm pretty low tier. And yeah. T17 strats that I mentioned - it's not a gamble. It just was nerfed on the fly for no reason. Sanctum and Memories brings you much more currency than base core/league/t17 mechanics.

And yeah... talking about gear... my gear is not that good. It's just... your gear is garbage. Even for day three. That's all. And right now you don't know how to get currency to craft or buy it (830 PDPS axe is less than 2 div right now). And it's ok. I was the same 3 or 4 years ago. Being bad at PoE is OK, because it's too complex for an average player. But pls, don't tell me, that the game is in good state, while you don't know, how to play it.

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Pizzarugi wrote:

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Lonely.Cat wrote:

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Mashgesture wrote:

Nothing wrong with the current loot.

Dude... everything is wrong with the loot. I tried t16. It's dead. Sure I can do Delirium+Alva+Beyond spam to get ~1 div per 3 maps (Simulacrum+Atzotl+random drop) with some lucky drops, but it's not enough in late game. I can do 4 memories per hour to turn my 5 divs to 10-12 divs. 15 divs, if I'm lucky. But this process is boring, and there is no gold. I can do sanctum to print currency. Same problem. Boring, no gold. Also, no gold means that I'm not able to do most of the league mechanics. No league mechanics = I'm playing freaking standart league... and I did play like that, because i wanted to upgrade my gear, so I could move to high-end content.

Moving to high tier farm. When you enter T17, you hope that you'll have at least some profit, so you can afford more T17 investment, because T17 are fun to run... but GGG nerfing every T17 strat to the ground every day, BEFORE most of players can even try them.

Rituals? With scarabs+Boss vessel+Atlas tree+perfect conditions... you get something like 17k tribute. 17K in fully juiced T17. 2 div investment. 17K tribute. 1 div in ritual is smthing like 6-7k tribute. Each reroll - 1.4k tribute. But most of the time conditions are not perfect. And you get 10-12k tribute. It's not enough to do rerolls and buy smthing good. Sure, you can reserve rewards to buy it cheaper later... But with 10-12k tribute it's always NOT ENOUGH. After 15 maps I've lost 20 divs.

Boxes? With same investment my friend barely made to +5-7 divs profit. Reason? Inderect nerfs.

Div cards? With today's hotfix it was nerfed to the ground.

And so on. While in sanctum with almost no investments you can just print currency...

Again, I think you have this mindset, because a lot of people have been brain poisoned by the absolute loot printer that Affliction league was. The loot in these maps feels exactly the same to me before and after that league, with the exception of chisels being painfully rare.

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Lonely.Cat wrote:

I litterally told you how I've made currency for the gear. Memories and Sanctum. Even doing league mechanics with shipment and map runners will provide you up to 5 divs per day with your Kingsmarch being at least 8th grade. And I'm not even an average player here. I'm pretty low tier. And yeah. T17 strats that I mentioned - it's not a gamble. It just was nerfed on the fly for no reason. Sanctum and Memories brings you much more currency than base core/league/t17 mechanics.

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Lonely.Cat wrote:

And yeah... talking about gear... my gear is not that good. It's just... your gear is garbage. Even for day three. That's all. And right now you don't know how to get currency to craft or buy it (830 PDPS axe is less than 2 div right now). And it's ok. I was the same 3 or 4 years ago. Being bad at PoE is OK, because it's too complex for an average player. But pls, don't tell me, that the game is in good state, while you don't know, how to play it.

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Lonely.Cat wrote:

Emm... it's not ok to loose currency while you are farming. It's not ok to choose between profit and league mechanics. And yeah, i'm not talking about making mirror after mirror after mirror and so on. I just want to be sure, that while i'm investing my currency in something, i won't become poor. And the reason? Because devs just decided to nerf something for no reason. For example. Friday. Completing rituals on T16 gave you like 8-10k tribute without scarabs. Saturday. You are lucky to have 5k tribute. T17 with investments (boss vessels are 5 to 1. 6 to 1 if you are lucky. Scarabs - 15-20c each) you get 17k tribute top. Profit? None. Maybe some boss drop, because you got no tribute to roll and buy something from ritual.

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Pizzarugi wrote:

I don't know what else to tell you. That you have tens of divs worth of gear suggests you're doing fine.

As for Ritual, that seems fine? Ever since its debut league, I could never get anything valuable out of it so I don't know how anyone manages to be successful with that league. What I get out of it in 3.25 feels the same as it's always been, minus the much tougher Affliction enemies added to their spawns.