Can i buy POE 1 as an offline game

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Orbaal wrote:

Sorry my guy, this is not how real life works.


You keep painting PoE as well as the Devs in the worst possible way, sprinkling in your own perspective as the ultimate truth, while also ingoring the blatantly obvious downsides of your suggestions to make those look better.



If you play wordgames like that, you better make sure to address either an echochamber agreeing with your point of view or you end up pushing everyone else away because your wordgames are way too much "on the nose" and will only insult people with 2 or more braincells to rub together, because they are able to see past the BS.

Life isnt just black & white, its a million shades of grey in between, which you choose to ignore on purpose. Thats not going to fly.
If you want to make a convincing argument, at least try to acknowledge the world isnt as overly simplistic as you paint it.

I dont know why you are doing it in the first place, let alone keep doing it consistently but I do know that you lost me by doing what you do.

Apologies for my stupidity, but I cannot understand what those "blatantly obvious downsides" are from your post.

As for me painting the game, well, I have personal opinion just like the next guy, and so far did my best to argument every point at least once, be it positive or negative. If not in current thread, surely once before. Reposting same thing everywhere would be a bit absurd.

If you find it inappropriate to have a net negative opinion, the shortest explanation recoup is "I came here to play the game, only to have the rug pulled from under me repeatedly. Few companies squeeze their players for extra retention as aggressively as GGG does, without really adding much new content to play". You probably disagree, and it's fine, no need to waste time on me then :)

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Echothesis wrote:

Apologies for my stupidity, but I cannot understand what those "blatantly obvious downsides" are from your post.

It might just be me or my background within the industry, however, if I hear someone claiming that a PTR would lead to better results and lighten the workload of the QA department, my initial reaction would honestly be just laughter.


1. Setting up a PTR requires extra work

2. Vetting suitiable players and inviting them is extra work

3. Coding/Maintaining tools to log more extensively whatever players are doing is extra work

4. Reviewing low quality bug reports, cross referencing those with the logs and having QA verify/falsify the reported is issues is extra work

Ill leave it at that. The point is: This is a boatload of extra work and it is blatantly obvious.


When I say extra work what I really mean is of course extra costs financially but also opportunity costs as in the people working on the PTR related stuff cant simultaniously work on ingame features.
The only ways to justify those costs would be, if this procedure leads to a substinatially better product followed by substantially more revenue generated. This is a business after all.

Which is why I referred to PTRs as a marketing tool. It doesnt enhance the quality of the product enough to justify the costs. But if it enhances the buzz around the product and leads to more sold copies, well then its totally justified.

The claim that this would somehow lighten QAs workload is naive at best and laughable at worst. Im having a really hard time taking you seriously at any rate because of that claim.

And all of this IS obvious, yet you omitted all of it to make the claim this was a viable alternative. I dont think its malice on your part, you simply fail to hold your own ideas to scrutiny and thats as common as it is dangerous.

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Echothesis wrote:

As for me painting the game, well, I have personal opinion just like the next guy, and so far did my best to argument every point at least once, be it positive or negative. If not in current thread, surely once before. Reposting same thing everywhere would be a bit absurd.

Agreed. I also think its absurd to allow yourself to be lead by emotions, tainting every debate or discussion you might want to have. At least try to come from a neutral standpoint even or especially if you dont like something.
You can do better than this.

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Echothesis wrote:

If you find it inappropriate to have a net negative opinion, the shortest explanation recoup is "I came here to play the game, only to have the rug pulled from under me repeatedly. Few companies squeeze their players for extra retention as aggressively as GGG does, without really adding much new content to play". You probably disagree, and it's fine, no need to waste time on me then :)

I do disagree, yes. The everchanging nature of the game - sometimes for better, sometimes for worse - is PoEs USP.
Remove that and you end up with the exact same dull games you find everywhere on the internet. If it wasnt for that, I wouldnt have stuck around for 10 years.

Feel free to dislike it all you want, thats fine - couldnt care less.
I do however care, if someone tries to push PoE into the exact same corner all the other games find themselves backed into.
Dull, generic, massproduced garbage that simply exists to attract and milk as many people as possible before they inevitably move on to the next thing.

Whether you realise it or not, thats why PoE is still going strong after more than a decade and yes there is a price to be paid. This approach has plenty downsides and dislike many of those but I still like the endresult better than whatever else the competion vomits into the stores.

Deep down you know Im at least not wrong, because despite of the many flaws PoE has - you are still here.
You could have moved on to any those supposed PoE killers that came and went in the past few years but you didnt.


This is in essence why many players including myself push back on changes regarding PoEs core such as the XP penalty or lack of an AH or whatever else.
Because it would lead only to one place and thats the uninspired, dull, generic, massproduced garbage that passes nowadays for a game or entertainment.

Feel free to disagree with that statement as well, if you like. Thats fine.
All I want you to understand is that PoEs rough, unpolished and everchanging nature needs to be preserved not overhauled.
You wouldnt get a better game in the end, you´d get the same shit you can already get everywhere else and Id rather not go there.

Its not elitism or anything like that why players are pushing back against those changes, whether they are well intended or not. They simply like what PoE is despite all its flaws better than whatever else the industry releases these days and I dont think its hard to see why.

I think all that disscussion can be summised in one questieon.

Do they can do PoE1 offline game?

I think answer is yes.

Will they?

One can dream.

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1. Setting up a PTR requires extra work

2. Vetting suitiable players and inviting them is extra work

3. Coding/Maintaining tools to log more extensively whatever players are doing is extra work

All this is one-time work. Once you have PTR client build, setting it up is mundane work same as any other server maintenance. For a project aiming for a decades of lifetime this is worthwhile investment. Closest example is D3/D4 which somehow avoid serious exploits (aside from that D4 item dupe they couldn't fix for 3 patches:)) and avoid having overtuned content smacking any player below elite across the floor.

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4. Reviewing low quality bug reports, cross referencing those with the logs and having QA verify/falsify the reported is issues is extra work

As someone who is technically both a dev and QA, can say that starting off others bug reports is always faster than testing yourself. Low-quality reports just get discarded, because they usually come from people incorrectly understanding game mechanics. If there is a real bug, there will be at least 1 human describing it properly and with a WTR.

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Deep down you know Im at least not wrong, because despite of the many flaws PoE has - you are still here.
You could have moved on to any those supposed PoE killers that came and went in the past few years but you didnt.

I did move on shortly after div/ex swap. Since then it has been "see new patch, login, do 3 maps, quit". Although my friends who keep playing leagues give me some feedback about how things are here.

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Its not elitism or anything like that why players are pushing back against those changes, whether they are well intended or not. They simply like what PoE is despite all its flaws better than whatever else the industry releases these days and I dont think its hard to see why.

How would you like if someone changed X dollars Y cents on your bank account to Y dollars X cents and then said "your own fault for not diversifying investments"? Ignoring sizeable (yes) part of playerbase coming from both devs and the rest of the players is definition of elitism.

One can dream!
The devs at inquisitor/martyr (underrated ARPG) swore up and down vehemently that the game would never get an offline mode.

Can you guess what it got today?

What's cool that they also did recently was make it so you can play any league.