Feels a bit tone deaf

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Valkaneer wrote:

[Removed by Support] The Mace/shield is full of Scepter builds, the Swords are more than half caster swords (like severed in sleep. You're blatantly trying to mislead with absurd screen shots which have all caster and melee weapons lumped together and try to pass it off as melee.

Wow. That's definetly rage. Calm down. Look on melee from the other side. Yes, you're right about +1 on the wand, because spells gain their flat power from gem levels and some of them from flat damage. That's true you can take two wands and finish campaign, then swap to wand + shield and progress through the maps ending with the ubers.

Melee gains their power from the weapon's flat damage. Yes, this is fundamental idea for Attack skills in general and Attack Melee in particular.

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The only reason only 10% of people play melee is because melee is total dog crap for near everything except Bonezone.

Molten Strike has better scalling in late game. You don't need sacrifice a lot of defences to build good MS uber boss farmer. Example.

Or Heavy Strike with Spell Suppression

Glacial Hammer with Spell Suppresion
I think melee is over hated. It has some QoL issues but DPS seems ok. People don't like to think out of the box and vast majority of players wait for the decision of their favourite streamer.

Streamer said: "Melee is trash"
Everyone: "Yeah it's trash. pepeLAUGH LOGOUT"
Streamer said: "This skill is good"
Everyone: "LOGIN POG OP"

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No melee is nothing close to being in a good spot, and GGG knows it, as they said it in the Subtratem interview at ExileCon.

Yeah that's true. But the problem you can't make melee good if you think the DPS is only issue but no other factor involved like animation. It needs more QoL and not DPS. Did you remember what happened in Legion? Every 2nd or 3rd build was Cyclone. It's very easy to break that balance where the archetype becomes OP or falls to complete garbage.

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Aynix wrote:

You know why melee isnt popular? Not because its lacks dmg. For simple reason. Totems. Melee have most of its DMG locked behind that stupid mechanic. You hit like a wet noodle unless you put down this damn wooden stick, then ur DMG skyrockets. It feels awfull.

I don't like totems playing melee aswell, but it's not an issue for me or my friends . Several leagues ago ppl complained about clunkiness, dps, scalling, high budget. They never mentioned totems. It looks like it's a flashmob from reddit / streamers (or group of streamers) complaining about totems. Totems are completely optional but I unrstand the point, probably it would be better to move totems' DPS to melee skills and remove the buff. Let totems to support other totems and not the character.

Did you remember slams meta? Melee was so strong that was used more frenquently than modern DD/SRS. Ground Slam, Earthshatter, Earthquake.

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Valkaneer wrote:

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Aynix wrote:

Man, its so funny to read someone who clarly never played melee in end game (or didnt play it for years). I play melee every league. Each time diffrent league. Never played Boneshatter because it looks lime one of the most borin melee skills.

You know why melee isnt popular? Not because its lacks dmg. For simple reason. Totems. Melee have most of its DMG locked behind that stupid mechanic. You hit like a wet noodle unless you put down this damn wooden stick, then ur DMG skyrockets. It feels awfull.

It's so funny to read people who clearly are just not being honest. It's not totems, people use totems all the time to boost their casting damage, self cast is hardly a thing, who do you think you're fooling? Show me all these 2- 3 mill DPS PoB for under 5 divine for melee, since there a dime a dozen... Cleave got nerfed in the patch notes, so obviously you got a 3m Cleave build for under 5D right? Um no, you need at least a 10D weapon alone to do that.

Subtractem got roasting for his axe video in which he said he could make a 800dps Axe for under 5 Divine. If you get very lucky you can make it for under 5 Divine, but that Ax clearly should have costed 7 - 10D to make for most people. Guess what you need for a caster. A 2 or 3c unique wand and I can get the same kind of damage as a 10D axe.

I always find it funny when the sideline touts how good they are, and all the amazing things they do, when the best players in the world say melee is a dumpster fire compared to casters. Ben, cArn, Imexile, all of them are clueless and the sideline on the forums are where the real good players are... At least so they say..

Here is your problem. 5 divine is NOTHING nowadays. In todays standards, where good currency making startegy can earn you more than 10 div/h, thinking that you will make good build with an hour worth of farming is just laughable.

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auspexa wrote:

Because I wasn't trying to hit the dot cap, it's just a mapping build and it's already immortal vs every piece of content I want to run, including ubers. Did you even realize I'm using widowhail and my toxic rain is inside it? I could change my bow, use onslaught flask instead of quicksilver, change my tree a bit and reach the dot cap if I wanted to.

Almost all of the toxic rain builds in HC are zdps, can't map at all, and they're not even tanky. There are only 2 toxic rain pathfinder in HC ancestor with eternal damnation, both of which are garbage builds, and only one using militant faith. Do you even know anything about toxic rain? Or do you know how to use poe.ninja?

I don't think you can show me a single TR build on HC that's better than mine.

This one for example

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Do you even know anything about toxic rain? Or do you know how to use poe.ninja?

Can you just make short vid with /death command?

this is giga zdps with turtle tier movement speed, no 6L to clear maps, and most of the gear is simply terrible

are you trolling? I genuinely can't tell if you're baiting

Just be happy you dont get the "new world" treatment , you were complaining to much on our forums so we are shutting down the forums , scream into space :)XD

the thing that i have a problem with is we didnt get a list of new gems , how the hell do i know if starting RF this league will work or not .

also the new league mechanic seems bare bones , i guess thay made it in two weeks.The rest of the time was spent on the gems , its ok for me i didnt play the ultimatum league so i will have stuff to do .

my prediction is this league will hit harder then trial first month , but it will die faster .

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auspexa wrote:

this is giga zdps with turtle tier movement speed, no 6L to clear maps, and most of the gear is simply terrible

are you trolling? I genuinely can't tell if you're baiting

25M sDPS considered "giga zdps"(c)? Really? You can't be serious, you're definetly trolling. The second 6L is for bossing obviously, not for the mapping. You don't understand what's profitable here. That dude farmed ubers all the time.

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cursorTarget wrote:

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auspexa wrote:

this is giga zdps with turtle tier movement speed, no 6L to clear maps, and most of the gear is simply terrible

are you trolling? I genuinely can't tell if you're baiting

25M sDPS considered "giga zdps"(c)? Really? You can't be serious, you're definetly trolling. The second 6L is for bossing obviously, not for the mapping. You don't understand what's profitable here. That dude farmed ubers all the time.

the pob dps is mostly coming from occupying force as you can tell from the mirage dps, which is fake dps in most cases. he has nowhere near 25m dps in most scenarios.

and? why not just make a good build and do both?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9cgTAmRXLmY
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Scc06dRmTDM

that build is trash.

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auspexa wrote:

the pob dps is mostly coming from occupying force as you can tell from the mirage dps, which is fake dps in most cases. he has nowhere near 25m dps in most scenarios.

It's only your assumption.

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auspexa wrote:

and? why not just make a good build and do both?

Mapping is not profitable unless it's dedicated MF. We have several MF builds specialized on CT/Dunes with 350-400 IIQ to farm Apothecary / MB, UI and such items, not just running random unjuiced trash without orbs.

Drop from bosses is very valuable here because the risk to lose the character is way higher than on SC where immortality is a hidden mod for any build.

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auspexa wrote:

that build is trash.

Waiting for you on the HC in 3.23 doing uber content.

You didn't show the /deaths stats.

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cursorTarget wrote:

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auspexa wrote:

the pob dps is mostly coming from occupying force as you can tell from the mirage dps, which is fake dps in most cases. he has nowhere near 25m dps in most scenarios.

It's only your assumption.

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auspexa wrote:

and? why not just make a good build and do both?

Mapping is not profitable unless it's dedicated MF.

Never heard bigger bs, ever. You can make 15 div/h mapping w/o having single MF gear equipped. I never used MF gear in my 10+ years of playing PoE and I made currency for my Flicker build (around 600 div) in ~10 days.

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auspexa wrote:

are you trolling? I genuinely can't tell if you're baiting

bait, or maybe a little bit of trolling cause inexperienced hoho